Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game - Page 75

Bailey · 01-03-2008, 01:26 AM

Unless, of course, the clue STILL does not refer to B_Real the first, and instead refers to somebody different. Heck, for all I know, part of their power is that they don't show up under investigations, and so I just see them as shadows.

EDIT: and it looks like you're trying to imply that I made up these clues with your language there. Is that the case?

OctoberRaven · 01-03-2008, 01:27 AM

B_Real II- Besides the difference between our evidence on B_Real I, care to explain why either me or Newb has to be scum?

Not saying I disagree with you, just don't completely see the logic behind it.

Pink Bunny · 01-03-2008, 01:29 AM

Since we know my role, we know that Raven's data is wrong.
However, he targeted B_Real before and knew his role.

He then targeted me and got B_Real's information. It is fortunate that last night you received B_Real's information, because this can prove innocence to me in your regard. I don't think you're scum. Or, if you are scum, it isn't because of what you did last night or your data.

If your power worked, then that means the Swapper picked B_Real and me.
And if the swapper picked B_Real and me as the transfer, then this means that whoever killed B_Real tried to kill me and vice-versa. Is this theory agreeable?

This would explain why targeting me gives you B_Real's information, and why B_Real died-- a target who was making too much ruckus. Me.

The next process of elimination is this: If the above theory is correct, who wanted to kill me yesterday?

P-Sleazy · 01-03-2008, 01:35 AM

EDIT:

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Originally Posted by October

And B_real, we don't have a reasonable way of confirming anyone if my current theory of someone swapping targets on me is accurate.

We do for the people we lynch! And your target got swapped, but you still found out your swapped targets role didn't you? So long as the information you give holds true or we figure out how to get information on all the dead people, oh wait, we do. NEWB! He was at the scene of the death of DP and Rygar last night apperently. Care to tell us thier roles Newb? Cause you apperently got Nikose's role when you camped out at his death site.

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Originally Posted by October

B_Real II- Besides the difference between our evidence on B_Real I, care to explain why either me or Newb has to be scum?

Well basically, if what Newb says about RR is true and RR ends up with a gun, then that means since B_Real I had a gun too he couldn't possibly be a tracker as you claim he is. However, if RR ends up being someone without a gun, then that means Newb's a filthy liar and your assumption on B_Real I was correct and you're telling the truth.

The only issue I have with this is that he could be a mafiate with connections to a mafiate cop (since according to you thats what SK was, so its reasonable that every mafia has a cop like role) and made a guess on B_Real I's role while having RR's Role (from his mafiate cop associate) which would explain why he pushed for an RR lynch to take down B_Real I the following night (via mafia kill) with a ????, ???? aligned so that he couldn't be proven wrong had B_Real I been lynched.

I seriously want a way for these night deaths to be revealed...one that isn't involved with Newb.

EDIT: man, I am WAY overthinking alot of stuff.

OctoberRaven · 01-03-2008, 01:37 AM

EDIT- THE FOLLOWING IS TO PB
Interesting.

As far as to who wanted to kill you... I dont remember anyone but me voting for you the previous day, but that's not with me going back to check.

This was only because you defended SK, which lead me (obviously incorrectly) to think you were in cahoots.

Thus my choice to investigate you. Going for the kill would have been rash (after all, the only reason I had was that you were protecting scum, and only I knew that SK was scum on D2. Hardly a death sentence.) so I decided to investigate instead. Heck, I wouldn't have voted for you in the first place if I was going to have interwebs after that night.

Bailey · 01-03-2008, 01:42 AM

Well, I could camp out in the same place again and see what I get.

OctoberRaven · 01-03-2008, 01:51 AM

B-2, there is one small flaw in that logic: What if one of us (possibly me) somehow got inaccurate data on B-1?

I saw nothing that said B-1 had a gun, but that doesn't mean that B-1 didn't have one, as I didn't get anything specifically saying that B-1 didn't have a gun.

Basically, proving B-1 had a gun won't prove that I'm scum or even that I got an innacurate read. It'll prove that B-1 had a gun.

P-Sleazy · 01-03-2008, 01:53 AM

Touche October, Touche. I'm overthinking and missing the simple answers. We've seen broken PO roles before.

But if you're broken, then wouldn't that mean that SK wouldn't have died by your hand? But through someone elses?

OctoberRaven · 01-03-2008, 01:56 AM

Also possible. But who's to say I was the only one who targeted SK?

Also, as this will probably come up eventually, I did ask the mod if it was B-1 or B-2 I got info on, and I was told it was B-1.

Pink Bunny · 01-03-2008, 02:00 AM

I want to think that Newb is lying to us all along. Your PO role is likely not broken if you got the same result twice on the B_Real->Bunny situation, but a different one for Kitty.

There's nothing that really proves anything. He says he can examine these bodies but there's no real validation. He could be just making this up. If there was validation, it would be mentioned on page 1.

How hard is it to lie about the identity of corpses when no one else can be sure?
Edit: Who was it that he originally protected with this 'power' of his? These weak stories he creates and corpses he reveals? ODWTF?
Why not use OD as the test?

01-03-2008, 01:27 AM	#742
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	B_Real II- Besides the difference between our evidence on B_Real I, care to explain why either me or Newb has to be scum? Not saying I disagree with you, just don't completely see the logic behind it. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!"

01-03-2008, 01:37 AM	#745
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	EDIT- THE FOLLOWING IS TO PB Interesting. As far as to who wanted to kill you... I dont remember anyone but me voting for you the previous day, but that's not with me going back to check. This was only because you defended SK, which lead me (obviously incorrectly) to think you were in cahoots. Thus my choice to investigate you. Going for the kill would have been rash (after all, the only reason I had was that you were protecting scum, and only I knew that SK was scum on D2. Hardly a death sentence.) so I decided to investigate instead. Heck, I wouldn't have voted for you in the first place if I was going to have interwebs after that night. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!"

01-03-2008, 01:51 AM	#747
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	B-2, there is one small flaw in that logic: What if one of us (possibly me) somehow got inaccurate data on B-1? I saw nothing that said B-1 had a gun, but that doesn't mean that B-1 didn't have one, as I didn't get anything specifically saying that B-1 didn't have a gun. Basically, proving B-1 had a gun won't prove that I'm scum or even that I got an innacurate read. It'll prove that B-1 had a gun. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!"

01-03-2008, 01:53 AM	#748
P-Sleazy Can Summon Sparkles by Posing! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kinging it up! Posts: 2,339	Touche October, Touche. I'm overthinking and missing the simple answers. We've seen broken PO roles before. But if you're broken, then wouldn't that mean that SK wouldn't have died by your hand? But through someone elses? __________________ The King is your new master now. Totally returning for the Summer: a mafia Game: Sign ups HERE!

01-03-2008, 01:56 AM	#749
OctoberRaven We have custom party of fun! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Inaba... OH CRUD THE FOG Posts: 395	Also possible. But who's to say I was the only one who targeted SK? Also, as this will probably come up eventually, I did ask the mod if it was B-1 or B-2 I got info on, and I was told it was B-1. __________________ "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged war"- Sun Tzu "OctoberRaven Productions Comics: We're Not Funny! But we try!"

01-03-2008, 01:29 AM	#743
Pink Bunny Shyguy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 100	Since we know my role, we know that Raven's data is wrong. However, he targeted B_Real before and knew his role. He then targeted me and got B_Real's information. It is fortunate that last night you received B_Real's information, because this can prove innocence to me in your regard. I don't think you're scum. Or, if you are scum, it isn't because of what you did last night or your data. If your power worked, then that means the Swapper picked B_Real and me. And if the swapper picked B_Real and me as the transfer, then this means that whoever killed B_Real tried to kill me and vice-versa. Is this theory agreeable? This would explain why targeting me gives you B_Real's information, and why B_Real died-- a target who was making too much ruckus. Me. The next process of elimination is this: If the above theory is correct, who wanted to kill me yesterday?

01-03-2008, 02:00 AM	#750
Pink Bunny Shyguy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 100	I want to think that Newb is lying to us all along. Your PO role is likely not broken if you got the same result twice on the B_Real->Bunny situation, but a different one for Kitty. There's nothing that really proves anything. He says he can examine these bodies but there's no real validation. He could be just making this up. If there was validation, it would be mentioned on page 1. How hard is it to lie about the identity of corpses when no one else can be sure? Edit: Who was it that he originally protected with this 'power' of his? These weak stories he creates and corpses he reveals? ODWTF? Why not use OD as the test?