Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[Brock Samson]

Too many people are being way to quiet in here. I've just caught up on the arguments, and really, I don't see much more than some semantic misnomers separating the cases of each side. I think that, more than likely, the cults and mafias are sitting back at this point because there is no need for them to do anything.

[Bailey]

Notably, Russian Reversal is being quiet.

I know if I had votes on ME I'd be in here asking what was up with shit.

[Brock Samson]

I'm from over at HoRP, and over there he said that he was going on vacation for two weeks.

[Jeneralissimo]

Yeah, RR actually said we could kill him off since he wouldn't be around for a while. (He posted in the public announcement thread here as well.)

[OctoberRaven]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

That didn't prove him wrong. Cause he never ended up investigating Pink Bunny. His investigation results came up on an entirely different person. And the current theory going around right now is that someone performed a switcheroo on Pink Bunny and B_Real the first which explains why he got B_Real the first's role instead of PB's.

So in conclusion, he was not proven wrong because he never recieved investigative results on Pink Bunny to contradict his roleclaim confirmation.

THANK YOU. Someone finally understands what I've been saying the whole time.

And no, PB, this did not happen twice. It happened only once.

So there's no confusion, here's what I did on each night:
Night1: Investigated SK. Got Alberto PO result.
Night2: Killed SK. Did it work? Don't know, but she's dead so either it did or someone else killed her.
Night3: Investigated Pink Bunny, but got results from B-1 AND ONLY B-1.

Now, there's no way I can use any of my other powers to safely prove they are accurate, simply because there's no confirmed role (besides PB) to test them on, and it won't work anyway. I could try my second kill, but that would at best be a waste and at worst redirect to an innocent.

Furthermore, if the alleged switcheroo guy is still at large, so even if there was a good test subject, the switcheroo guy will probably screw it up on us.

[wasoe]

I see no major inconsistencies in newb's evidence.

Also, B_Real II's suggesting that newb's possible town alignment immediately proves RR and ODWTF's town alignment is fallacious in my mind.

It is possible that:
B_Real is being 100% straight here.
B_Real knows newb is town-aligned and is suggesting we lynch newb to clear ODWTF and RR for some reason. This reason may be that ODWTF or RR is a role that is valuable for the town and B_Real wants to protect them if that is the case, or ODWTF and/or RR are scum and B_Real is on the same team.
B_Real feels newb is not town-aligned and that, if his evidence is strong enough, newb's lynching will trigger the lynchings of ODWTF and RR.
B_Real may be making this all up.

But still, the idea of figuring out two roles from one lynch is too good for me to resist.

Vote: NEwb

[Captain Combustible]

Okay while this is a little late I would like to respond to this which was posted on page 63.

Originally Posted by Pink Bunny

If we already know it, then we know that Zilla's reason for killing him for verification is bunk. Now, Ryderman at least makes sense on the issue-- kill him because he's an SK. Okay. Captain Combustible is also the same way.

But I also know CC well enough to know that he'd be smart enough to understand the merit of keeping a verified SK around this early in the game, with so many threats existing. I don't know Ryderman's playstyle enough to know if he'd consider that. This makes me unsure of CC.
Big deal.

There are times when keeping an SK around is a good idea but yesterday was not a good time.
Here is/was my reasoning:
1. We had no one who was a better lynch as he was the only person we knew for certain was anti-town.
2. He wasn't giving us any information and he wouldn't even tell us who he had killed, when an anti-town role wants to make a deal with the town his deal should be better than "The town doesn't lynch me and I continue to kill whoever I want."
3. We would have had no way to tell if the people he was killing were actually evil.
4. He was a great cult target and we would havbe no way to tell if he had been culted.

can someone explain to me me what is going on between RR, B_real, newb and ODWTF because I missed something.

Also is there a reason we aren't still suspicious of Zilla?

[Ape Boy]

Originally Posted by Captain Combustible

can someone explain to me me what is going on between RR, B_real, newb and ODWTF because I missed something.

Also is there a reason we aren't still suspicious of Zilla?

Newb claims to be some sort of Bum/Eavesdropper role, where he picks a section of the “town” and is given hints as to what is going on in that section during the night.

He was recently given a hint where a guy wearing an upside down fuzzy hat was having a gun argument with a guy covered in shadows. The “upside-down fuzzy hat” can be a reference to “RussianReversal”, due to the type of hat and how it’s worn, and he thought the guy covered in shadows was a reference to B_real.

Since they both had guns, Newb cast suspicion on both of them, but it turns out B_real was a Town-Aligned Tracker, which may cast doubt on Newb’s entire position to this point.

Earlier, Newb had vouched for ODWTF, but if Newb himself is in question, anyone he vouches for is immediately suspect.

As I see it, the whole thing breaks down to either:

1) Newb really is getting this information and simply misinterpreted B_real into the situation. This could be possible, since he claims to have gotten further hints involving a person hidden in the shadows and admits he may have overreacted on implicating B_real over such a simple clue.

2) Newb is lying out his happy ass and is likely scum. Could also be very possible, with say Mafia PO support..

There seem to be two major trains of thought on how to move forward: Lynch Newb to outright see his info and use it to confirm or deny the others or Lynch RR to outright see his info and possibly confirm or deny Newb and the others.

I support lynching RR, because dude was acting shady earlier, was implicated by Newb, and if he’s correct, we see why RR had a gun. This path also allows us further use of Newb’s powers should he be right. Alternately, the “Kill Newb” side is just as legit, I just think killing RR is a calculated gamble that may give Newb a chance to redeem himself.

If he’s off, there’s nothing stopping us from lynching him tomorrow.

Zilla is just flat out lucky he's been lost in the shuffle and we'll likely get back to him in time.

FoS: Zilla, so I don't forget.

EDIT: Of course, this is just my take of how things have gone so far. If I've left something out or made a mistake, please let me know.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by B_real_shadows

EDIT: Also Roy, if you're thinking that Ole Dude WTF is that kind of scum, then doesn't that mean that Newb's claims don't hold since Ole Dude WTF wouldn't be talking with his mom night 1 but rather killing someone instead?

The problem with that is, if I think Ole Dude is scum based on something Newb said, then why was he in his house? Thus Newb's a liar. But then why do I think Ole Dude's a mama's boy at all?

It's almost a catch-22.

[OctoberRaven]

With the possibility of up to two other scum POs alive, no other viable play for this day (killing RR at this stage would be pointless as he's not a potential threat for now unless he's replaced), and with the fact that apparently Newb's info contradicts my own...

Vote: Newb

Again, killing RR isn't necessarily a good play, because he's not a threat right now. If Newb is scum (and, as we've learned from good old L, even a 1% chance is good enough reason to follow a lead sometimes) then he's the more immediate threat.

If it turns out he's not scum, then we'll have something to go on. If he is... well, we also can find something to go on.

I don't like it, but it seems we got no better move ATM than to see what comes up from killing Newb.