Nothing is as it Seems Mafia: The Game

[russianreversal]

Originally Posted by Ape Boy

With Newb's admission, you might get a pass for a while, seeing as you were only accused because of him lying about a role. It's not like he had any real info, he just pretended to based on his gut.

No, I was accused for a number of other things as well, but I can't say Newb helped.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by wasoe

Here is why you should vote for newb instead of RR, if you are voting RR:

RR has been afk for some time now.

Except he posted at like 23:50 last night. So, you know...not even twenty four hours? Not what I would call a long time. Scum.

Originally Posted by Newb

Except my gut is REALLY REALLY GOOD at things like this.

Roy, back me up here.

That's actually true, he's really good at this. I mean, usually he'll call all the scum, he'll get whacked, and then he'll have been right. It's actually pretty amazing.

[OctoberRaven]

Well, if he's innocent, maybe, just maybe, I might consider one of the names.

If not (which seems less likely by the post), well, I'm considering it just a last ditch effort to be spared and ignore it.

[Brock Samson]

What do we do when he does turn out to be exactly what he says? Or for that matter, how will we even know?

[Bailey]

This is exactly why I want to die by lynch instead of getting nightkilled; my role will be confirmed this way.

[russianreversal]

Originally Posted by Roy_D_Mylote

Except he posted at like 23:50 last night. So, you know...not even twenty four hours? Not what I would call a long time. Scum.

I was in Maine for a week and a half, and didn't post during that time period. A lot of people thought that was suspicious, and Wasoe's statement would have been a lot easier to accept and follow if I hadn't gotten back and posted several minutes hours beforehand. It's pretty funny actually. I came back expecting "russianreversal; lynched Day 3" and somehow I'm still alive. Amazing. But I'll make the best of it and try and help in the conversation.

[Moogle0119]

Originally Posted by Brock Samson

What do we do when he does turn out to be exactly what he says? Or for that matter, how will we even know?

Going off of what Newb/Roy claim his list should be accurate for scum so we could very well go with a name off that list assuming Newb comes up as he claimed. Unfortunately with the way we're not learning anything during the night by the kills it's best to prove a claim by dying via lynch. Either Newb is lying (again) about his role and we'll have lynched a scum role OR we'll have confirmation that he's telling the truth and going off of his list we could narrow some more targets down. I don't like going off of other people's intuition that can't be backed up by votes, however Newb is already voting for himself and would rather us pursue this route.

Vote: Newb

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Originally Posted by russianreversal

Wasoe's statement would have been a lot easier to accept and follow if I hadn't gotten back and posted several minutes hours beforehand.

Well yeah. I mean...yeah. But shit, I guess that didn't happen.

[Ape Boy]

Originally Posted by russianreversal

No, I was accused for a number of other things as well, but I can't say Newb helped.

Sorry for the wording, I intended to say something more along the lines of Newb being a huge basis of the current wagon, not that he was the only reason.

[wasoe]

Originally Posted by Newb

Wasoe because, in 766, he backed me up and voted for me in the same post, and also because, for crying out loud, the only reason I'm EVER able to pass myself off as any kind of investigative role, let alone with the frequency I have managed it, is because I get amazing vibes. And right now they say Wasoe goes on the list.

Okay, rebuttal:

Originally Posted by wasoe

I see no major inconsistencies in newb's evidence.

This does not mean I believe the evidence is reliable. The evidence could be consistently good or consistently bad. Like I said before, if we've come down to Newb and RR, it's two different tosses of two rigged coins. We need to decide which one is more likely to land in our favor. Your evidence and arguments have consistently led us to believe you are scum. Therefore, leaving RR alive is a chance we are more willing to take.
Also:

Originally Posted by wasoe

But still, the idea of figuring out two roles from one lynch is too good for me to resist.

This is why I voted, at first. I was suspicious of Newb, RR, and ODWTF at the same time, and B_Real II's proposition was:

Originally Posted by B_Real II

He'd come off looking good when Ole Dude WTF is lynched and turns up town. Same goes for RR. There really is no way to confirm Newb's role without having an outside source investigate him. And even then we have problems. The easiest way right now to find out his role would be to lynch him. Then we atleast get a 100% confirmation on Ole Dude WTF and RR if he turns up town. Whereas if Newb turns up mafia, then we can assume that RR is some sort of killing role (vigilante, SK, or mafia) and Ole Dude WTF could be anything, cause whose gonna deny someone claiming for you that you're town, power or no power?

This proposition looked good. Then, as time progressed, along came OctoberRaven and built onto the case against Newb. When I claimed that I stood behind this case, I did not change my reason for voting newb. I added onto my reasons, because supporting OctoberRaven's evidence against newb did not contradict my previous reasoning.

Again, I did not support newb, I merely said there were no major inconsistencies in his evidence. All this does is rule out inconsistent evidence from my reasons for voting for him. There are still others, namely:
- If B_Real is right about how this could potentially reveal the roles of RR and ODWTF, then I can't pass this offer up.
- He's been acting suspicious in general, throwing out names, providing feeble evidence against one (me) that didn't already have evidence, and not providing any evidence against Tendronai.
- He's just been turning Fenris' summaries into bad riddles and passing it off as "evidence" while trying to claim some sort of observer role. However, there could be observer roles that are scum.

That is all.