Pokemon Umbral Discussion 23: My Favorite Number! - Page 12

Dracorion · 05-26-2010, 08:52 AM

I doubt one 4x damage attack can OHKO anything. It'd take at least two.

Menarker · 05-26-2010, 08:54 AM

Harriette did before with most of the quad weak foes during Renny's sidequest. Her attacks are stronger than most pokemon attacks (slayers get 130 power)

Although if we used Rain Dance, Rachel could send out her steel types, including Empoleon.

Dracorion · 05-26-2010, 08:59 AM

Yeah, except right now we're not in the middle of a huge-ass battle that would go on forever if we didn't take measures to speed things up, like making enemies easier to kill or throwing in a Super Saiyan to OHKO a boss.

Menarker · 05-26-2010, 09:31 AM

[HPG Footsoldier A] [HPG Engineer A] [HPG Trainer A-1] [HPG Trainer A-2][HPG Footsoldier B] [HPG Footsoldier C] [HPG Medic A] [HPG Trainer B-1] [HPG Trainer B-2] [HPG Footsoldier D]

Proposed plan.

Moon: Special Attack Device booster! +2 stage boost to Special Attack
One of Moon's Pokemons: Hydro Pump Thpholsion. Boosted Special Attack. STAB Super Effective.

Rachel: Thunder a HPG target. Boosted Special Attack. STAB
Empoleon: Hydro Pump Typholision. Boosted Special Attack. STAB Super Effective.

Renny
Togekiss: Air Slash Blaziken. 100% Flinch. Boosted Special Attack STAB Super Effective.
Shaymin: Air Slash Infernape. 100% Flinch. Boosted Special Attack STAB Super Effective.

Harriette: Quad effective Damage Charizard with Rock bullet.
Nidoqueen: Sludge Bomb a HPG for Boosted Special Attack damage that also decreases enemy human morale like fire does. STAB (Attacking Soldier C?)
Blissey: Put an HPG that isn't going to be attacked yet to sleep. (Soldier D?)

Pierce:
Kingdra: Hyrdo Pump Charizard if you think it'll survive. Boost. (You can do something else if you think Charizard won't survive a 130 base Quad damage attack) STAB Super Effective.

Matthias: Sunny Day. Boost Fire types.

Pierce:
Blaziken. Fire attack a HPG target. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Medic?)

Impact: Fire Attack. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB. (Attacking Soldier C?)

Charlotte:
Buck: FIRE. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Soldier A?)
Sol-lek: FIRE. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Soldier A?)

Wilhelmina: Fire bullet. Boosted by Sunny Day. (Attacking Medic?)

What you think? We'd dealt with the fire pokemons we see, and still have Sunny Day and having dealt some pretty damn severe damage. If the soldiers go down in two hits like Impact's plan seem to have been, then the way I set it, we only have to deal with one sleeping soldier and the engineer if things go well.

Factor to consider: We got Moon here. Doesn't someone have Shannon as their enforcer? We could flinch 3 foes with 100% chance and do heavy dark damage right now for 40 RP for both of them. (God, I wonder if Charlotte chose Shannon for shit and giggles)

AB: Do the trainers only have those 2 pokemons each or do they have more in reserve? I'd think we would be able to see their pokeballs if they were on a belt or so...

EDIT: Drac, Gem said you're in charge of dealing with formations in one of the posts above. Put Renny between Harriette and someone else, so that Renny gains equal rage when Harriette and that other person (or their pokemons) gets hurt. (Harriette in particular gets double rage and has 3 targets, hence why I requested her specifically).

Dracorion · 05-26-2010, 12:01 PM

Or, y'know, I could not put you next to Harliette. Just because.

By the way, remember the part where I said I think Medics and Engineers can only have one combatant? I do too.

Hey AB, how many combatants can Medics and Engineers have on the field? I assume Engineers can still make stuff if they're not on the field and medics can still heal, but they can't attack.

EDIT: Formation

[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Sol-Leks] [Buck] [Empoleon] [Nidoqueen] [Harliette] [Blissey] [Togekiss] [Shaymin] [Kingdra] [Blaziken] [Lanturn] [Impact] [Evolith/Device Space 2]

Menarker · 05-26-2010, 12:15 PM

If you wanted to be spiteful and backstab the group's ability for a better chance for success, I suppose you could.

I'm just suggesting where in the formation Renny would make the best contribution. And being beside Harriette is one of the few beneficial places because it's where he can get more rage just from her or her pokemons getting attacked. And aside from Divide and Focus, his rage moves support the party, so there is little reason why not. No one else currently benefits from standing nearby anyone at the moment from what I know. The other person that Renny should stand beside is someone who stands the most chance of being attacked and receiving damage, especially if its a trainer. Don't put him beside the sniper or on the very edge of the formation.

EDIT: That formation looks good at first glance. *Thumbs up*
Hehe, 3 pokemons with Serene Grace all in a row. ^^ (Although Blissey doesn't have a move that takes advantage of it. A shame. Headbutt would have been a good idea.)

Dracorion · 05-26-2010, 12:21 PM

Oh, relax you big baby.

EDIT: By the way, Pierce is going to tell Wilhelmina to try and spot any enemy snipers and take a shot at 'em. If she can't find any, he'll tell her to go ahead with Renny's plan.

In case you haven't noticed, huge flaw in your plan because Rachel can't attack while she has Empoleon on the field. So pick which one you want most.

Menarker · 05-26-2010, 12:29 PM

Really? Because she only has one pokemon out. I figured if she didn't have two pokemons out like the other trainers did, she could join in.

AB: If a pokebrid trainer like Rachel has a single pokemon out, could they attack with that pokemon too since it's only two attacks still (as opposed to two pokemons attacking.) I can't seem to recall a specific rule restricting that. Or has the rules changed for Medics since the new system and she can only use herself or one pokemon at a time?

Mind you, if I had to choose, I'd go with Empoleon because of Super Effective damage and knocking out a fire pokemon while attempting to keep Rachel safe (she's our medic after all)

Dracorion · 05-26-2010, 12:31 PM

How is a Pokemon and a Pokebrid attacking any different from two Pokemon?

I'm pretty sure if AB intended for Medics and Engineers to be able to use two pokemon or a pokemon and themselves, he would've given them two slots.

Menarker · 05-26-2010, 12:35 PM

Which would then make me confused a little as to why Moon can do his Device making action and have his pokemon attack too. 2 moves still. (Although in the engineer's case, the second pokemon would technically be the device or the evolith, thus he has 3 slots)

Anyhow, getting ready to leave for work. I already posted my questions for AB to answer and I already said that if I had to choose, that Empoleon would make his action. Formation is decided thanks to Drac, did my post correcting Impact and proposing a somewhat different course of action (while still keeping to the sunny day offensive plan)... so I think the situation is contained at this point.

05-26-2010, 08:52 AM	#111
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	I doubt one 4x damage attack can OHKO anything. It'd take at least two. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

05-26-2010, 08:54 AM	#112
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Harriette did before with most of the quad weak foes during Renny's sidequest. Her attacks are stronger than most pokemon attacks (slayers get 130 power) Although if we used Rain Dance, Rachel could send out her steel types, including Empoleon. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 05-26-2010 at 09:04 AM.

05-26-2010, 08:59 AM	#113
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Yeah, except right now we're not in the middle of a huge-ass battle that would go on forever if we didn't take measures to speed things up, like making enemies easier to kill or throwing in a Super Saiyan to OHKO a boss. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

05-26-2010, 09:31 AM	#114
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	[HPG Footsoldier A] [HPG Engineer A] [HPG Trainer A-1] [HPG Trainer A-2][HPG Footsoldier B] [HPG Footsoldier C] [HPG Medic A] [HPG Trainer B-1] [HPG Trainer B-2] [HPG Footsoldier D] Proposed plan. Moon: Special Attack Device booster! +2 stage boost to Special Attack One of Moon's Pokemons: Hydro Pump Thpholsion. Boosted Special Attack. STAB Super Effective. Rachel: Thunder a HPG target. Boosted Special Attack. STAB Empoleon: Hydro Pump Typholision. Boosted Special Attack. STAB Super Effective. Renny Togekiss: Air Slash Blaziken. 100% Flinch. Boosted Special Attack STAB Super Effective. Shaymin: Air Slash Infernape. 100% Flinch. Boosted Special Attack STAB Super Effective. Harriette: Quad effective Damage Charizard with Rock bullet. Nidoqueen: Sludge Bomb a HPG for Boosted Special Attack damage that also decreases enemy human morale like fire does. STAB (Attacking Soldier C?) Blissey: Put an HPG that isn't going to be attacked yet to sleep. (Soldier D?) Pierce: Kingdra: Hyrdo Pump Charizard if you think it'll survive. Boost. (You can do something else if you think Charizard won't survive a 130 base Quad damage attack) STAB Super Effective. Matthias: Sunny Day. Boost Fire types. Pierce: Blaziken. Fire attack a HPG target. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Medic?) Impact: Fire Attack. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB. (Attacking Soldier C?) Charlotte: Buck: FIRE. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Soldier A?) Sol-lek: FIRE. Boosted by Sunny Day AND Special Attack. STAB (Attacking Soldier A?) Wilhelmina: Fire bullet. Boosted by Sunny Day. (Attacking Medic?) What you think? We'd dealt with the fire pokemons we see, and still have Sunny Day and having dealt some pretty damn severe damage. If the soldiers go down in two hits like Impact's plan seem to have been, then the way I set it, we only have to deal with one sleeping soldier and the engineer if things go well. Factor to consider: We got Moon here. Doesn't someone have Shannon as their enforcer? We could flinch 3 foes with 100% chance and do heavy dark damage right now for 40 RP for both of them. (God, I wonder if Charlotte chose Shannon for shit and giggles) AB: Do the trainers only have those 2 pokemons each or do they have more in reserve? I'd think we would be able to see their pokeballs if they were on a belt or so... EDIT: Drac, Gem said you're in charge of dealing with formations in one of the posts above. Put Renny between Harriette and someone else, so that Renny gains equal rage when Harriette and that other person (or their pokemons) gets hurt. (Harriette in particular gets double rage and has 3 targets, hence why I requested her specifically). __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 05-26-2010 at 10:52 AM.

05-26-2010, 12:01 PM	#115
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Or, y'know, I could not put you next to Harliette. Just because. By the way, remember the part where I said I think Medics and Engineers can only have one combatant? I do too. Hey AB, how many combatants can Medics and Engineers have on the field? I assume Engineers can still make stuff if they're not on the field and medics can still heal, but they can't attack. EDIT: Formation [Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Sol-Leks] [Buck] [Empoleon] [Nidoqueen] [Harliette] [Blissey] [Togekiss] [Shaymin] [Kingdra] [Blaziken] [Lanturn] [Impact] [Evolith/Device Space 2] __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away. Last edited by Dracorion; 05-26-2010 at 12:30 PM.

05-26-2010, 12:15 PM	#116
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	If you wanted to be spiteful and backstab the group's ability for a better chance for success, I suppose you could. I'm just suggesting where in the formation Renny would make the best contribution. And being beside Harriette is one of the few beneficial places because it's where he can get more rage just from her or her pokemons getting attacked. And aside from Divide and Focus, his rage moves support the party, so there is little reason why not. No one else currently benefits from standing nearby anyone at the moment from what I know. The other person that Renny should stand beside is someone who stands the most chance of being attacked and receiving damage, especially if its a trainer. Don't put him beside the sniper or on the very edge of the formation. EDIT: That formation looks good at first glance. Thumbs up Hehe, 3 pokemons with Serene Grace all in a row. ^^ (Although Blissey doesn't have a move that takes advantage of it. A shame. Headbutt would have been a good idea.) __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 05-26-2010 at 12:23 PM.

05-26-2010, 12:21 PM	#117
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Oh, relax you big baby. EDIT: By the way, Pierce is going to tell Wilhelmina to try and spot any enemy snipers and take a shot at 'em. If she can't find any, he'll tell her to go ahead with Renny's plan. In case you haven't noticed, huge flaw in your plan because Rachel can't attack while she has Empoleon on the field. So pick which one you want most. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away. Last edited by Dracorion; 05-26-2010 at 12:25 PM.

05-26-2010, 12:29 PM	#118
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Really? Because she only has one pokemon out. I figured if she didn't have two pokemons out like the other trainers did, she could join in. AB: If a pokebrid trainer like Rachel has a single pokemon out, could they attack with that pokemon too since it's only two attacks still (as opposed to two pokemons attacking.) I can't seem to recall a specific rule restricting that. Or has the rules changed for Medics since the new system and she can only use herself or one pokemon at a time? Mind you, if I had to choose, I'd go with Empoleon because of Super Effective damage and knocking out a fire pokemon while attempting to keep Rachel safe (she's our medic after all) __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

05-26-2010, 12:31 PM	#119
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	How is a Pokemon and a Pokebrid attacking any different from two Pokemon? I'm pretty sure if AB intended for Medics and Engineers to be able to use two pokemon or a pokemon and themselves, he would've given them two slots. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

05-26-2010, 12:35 PM	#120
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Which would then make me confused a little as to why Moon can do his Device making action and have his pokemon attack too. 2 moves still. (Although in the engineer's case, the second pokemon would technically be the device or the evolith, thus he has 3 slots) Anyhow, getting ready to leave for work. I already posted my questions for AB to answer and I already said that if I had to choose, that Empoleon would make his action. Formation is decided thanks to Drac, did my post correcting Impact and proposing a somewhat different course of action (while still keeping to the sunny day offensive plan)... so I think the situation is contained at this point. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 05-26-2010 at 12:38 PM.