Pokemon Umbral Discussion 23: My Favorite Number!

[Dracorion]

What, like Pierce's techs aren't costly? His Co-Op tech costs 100/100, his Sig-Seq with Shizuka costs 80/100, and his Sequence with Chizuru costs 50/100 (though I'm even thinking of knocking it down to 40). You don't see me trying to come up with ways to get more rage.

[Menarker]

Dude, 50 is already cheap for what it does. You divide it's cost in half whenever you're with Chizuru. Paying only 25 rage every turn if she's in the party and paying too is pretty darn broken, especially if both of you are allowed to initiate the move and thus prevent 12 actions at the cost of 50 for both of you per turn.

[Dracorion]

Yeah, exactly.

So quitcherbitchin'.

[Menarker]

I meant for that one technique. Your other techniques are expensive. Besides, AB said that rage gaining can be influenced by items and abilities and such. Totally approved concept. If you tried to get an item that boosted your rage gaining, I wouldn't have minded.

If someone wants to propose an idea for a good rage gain item, I'll think it over. (Preferably one that isn't triggered by attacking since I'm attempting to make him a bit of a supporter.)

[Dracorion]

No one's saying you can't have an item that boosts Rage gaining. Just, y'know, your idea was ridiculous.

Maybe an item boosts the rage gained from Renny's pokemon taking damage by x1.5.

To that end, I'm going to have to propose that we change Follow Me to only work for the user's pokemon. Like, if Renny has Togekiss use Follow Me, it'll only affect Renny's other pokemon and the only attacks that will be drawn at Togekiss will be attacks targetting Renny's pokemon, but enemies can still attack pokemon owned by someone else or Slayers or Pokebrids.

Maybe for Pokebrids (not Legion Mages) using Follow Me, they can only use it on other lone Pokebrids or lone Slayers and not trainer Pokemon.

[Menarker]

I TOTALLY OBJECT TO THAT, YOU ASS!

Follow Me is a risky move as you can obviously see at the last battle with Togekiss being knocked out nigh instantly when used, but it's obviously a very special support move. For you to nerf it is blantently unfair especially when you never intend to use it, and my character concept is built under the notion of support, even choosing pokemons that aren't sheer battle types for the sake of support. And Follow Me is only on a very select few pokemons to begin with!

AB, I totally object to Pierce's prior suggestion and urge you to reject it as well.

And your item suggestion is honestly stupid too. Changing getting 5 rage to 7 or 8 rage upon getting hit? AB would kill you for making him keep track of all those useless bits of rage. The closest to it is Harriette's ability which doubles all rage she gets.

[Dracorion]

Except, y'know, counterargument: say you give Togekiss the support item that boosts rage-gain when taking damage by x1.5. And you use Follow Me on anyone. Renny's Togekiss then draws everyone's attacks at itself, takes three-four hits (let's say three) to fall down. That's 22.5 Rage Points right there. Then you revive it at the start of next turn for an extra 25 Rage, effectively getting you 50 (well, 47.5, but who's counting?) RP. I dunno about you, but that seems like a lot of RP to get in one turn.

Technically AB was already willing to keep track of those useless bits of Rage when he came up with an ability called Berserker that boosted Rage gain by 1.5.

EDIT: Although looking at the BTS, Berserker doesn't seem to be there. Well, here's what I was referring to from when AB first posted the RPS:

- The Ability called Berserker will increase the amount of Rage Points generated by an action by 1.5. Trainers and Snaggers can change the ability of their Leader Pokemon to this should they desire. Be careful against enemy Pokemon that have this ability. Pokebrids can choose to have this ability for their third DNA splice.

[Astral Harmony]

Kirie, Mika and Chizuru are still available. And since Pierce's sidequest in Millenium House comes next, you won't really have a time when you can't use 'em.

As for that hold item, I'm dumbing it down to gaining Rage for the allies right next to you. Remember that the trainer holds the Rage for all of his Pokemon.

Enforcers have their own Rage. They are their own characters, after all.

Yes, only the initiator of the SignSeq uses their action. The partner can still act.

I don't think I can agree to Dracorian's wish to change the rules for Follow Me. It'll only affect the target that the user is protecting, right?

[Menarker]

@Drac: Not anymore. AB removed Berserker. It's not in the database, remember? He said some stuff had been changed and such.

If Renny tried to do the Follow Me/Vengeful Rage thing on any sort of regular, then we'd lose items so fast that we'd be in trouble if the battle drew out long term. (Doesn't help that Togekiss is the one who Renny has a Co-Op technique with. It's in Renny's interest to have him healthy)

And it only seems like a lot of RP because someone else isn't getting it. It's all equal amount of RP. It's a trade off of protecting someone who is more valuable at the time and gaining rage for a very high chance of losing that pokemon and wasting an item if that pokemon is revived.

EDIT: Yes, AB, Follow Me only protects the one target selected by redirecting the attacks to itself.

And I can accept AB's change to the item. Will it take effect with Vengeful Rage or just with damage?

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

And it only seems like a lot of RP because someone else isn't getting it. It's all equal amount of RP.

Yes, exactly! Someone else isn't getting it, you're hoarding the RPs to yourself. So instead of everyone getting a nice, relatively equal flow of RP to themselves, you'd get halfway to 100 Rage by yourself in one turn.