Pokemon Umbral Discussion 23: My Favorite Number!

[Menarker]

Then it's a good thing that AB approved a dumbed down version of the item I proposed instead of yours which required an unfair nerf to use properly.

Follow Me cannot be used recklessly at all, since items are finite resources and it very highly requires my pokemons to be knocked out... While someone might not get rage that turn for being hurt, the buffs they keep and the rage they get for attacking makes up for it (Plus now that I think about it, the item that would be used to raise them if they would be knocked out is saved too.) Follow Me is a one turn effect anyhow, only taking the rage for as long as the pokemon lasts.

And if Rage among allies is such an issue, keep in Mind that Lola and Renny's Gal-Tech can also be used to give 25 rage to everyone who is paid for if used with the Rage Rocket item. ^^ Hell, imagine Supreme Upgrade being used with that. ^^

Renny getting rage does great things for everyone, not just himself (support and all) when used properly.

[Dracorion]

I think it's specifically too much Rage that's the issue.

And Christ, I just thought about Rage Rocket and your Sig-Seq and Christ... Okay, example time: say Renny and Lola use Prosperous Gifts, but only for each other. They each pay 10 Rage to affect each other with the Rage Rocket, effectively gaining 15 Rage each (the only way they could gain 30 Rage together is if both of Renny's pokemon and Lola used multi-target attacks), the only downside being they don't get to attack (actually, since only one of them uses their turn to initiate the Signature Sequence, the other one can do it again or attack for themselves). I'll let you follow this train of thought.

Which reminds me, do allies gain RP for being the target of a multi-target attack used by the ally next to them?

Meh, you can't just convince me by telling me it benefits me too! It's about balance and fairness and all the rest of that crap, whatever they mean.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

I think it's specifically too much Rage that's the issue.

And Christ, I just thought about Rage Rocket and your Sig-Seq and Christ... Okay, example time: say Renny and Lola use Prosperous Gifts, but only for each other. They each pay 10 Rage to affect each other with the Rage Rocket, effectively gaining 15 Rage each (the only way they could gain 30 Rage together is if both of Renny's pokemon and Lola used multi-target attacks), the only downside being they don't get to attack (actually, since only one of them uses their turn to initiate the Signature Sequence, the other one can do it again or attack for themselves). I'll let you follow this train of thought.

Which reminds me, do allies gain RP for being the target of a multi-target attack used by the ally next to them?

It's only that much rage gained if the pokemon was in perfect shape (Can only gain 5 rage for each hit, so the pokemon has to last fairly long to amass anything important.) Makes more sense than gaining 20 rage for using an ineffective attack. If the pokemon was already in combat and already wounded, less rage would be gained. Renny also is effectively trading in the ability to attack in order to help support others. If he's doing one thing, he forfeit the chance to do something else. It's not something he'd be doing constantly.

Oh god, your example assumes that I would be so wasteful with items. I wouldn't bother using Propserous Gifts for helping less than 5 people unless it was a sheer emergency. Rest assured, if Pierce, Impact or someone else could really use the boost (like you're close to getting the Co-Op technique) chances are Renny and Lola would help you. We would only have a certain number of items before we run dry and most of it have to be healing items. (Mind you, it gets damn expensive for Renny if Lola isn't around and we aren't having her every mission apparently...)

As for your recent question to AB, I'd think yes since rage is gained when damage is taken. Still a good question to make sure though.

AB: Do we have access to Supreme Upgrade btw or is that only accessible to our enemies at this point? (Drugs or whatnot)

We should probably see what Gem and Dante and Bard have to say about this.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Menarker

We should probably see what Gem and Dante and Bard have to say about this.

Bah, screw 'em. Unless they agree with me in which case love you.

[Menarker]

One more thing that came to mind.

There is already a character that AB made that makes pretty much the same rage that I proposed for my character without jumping through the hoops that my character has to. She gets it just from doing her standard actions.

Harriette doubles any rage she gets thanks to her ability. She gets 10 rage whenever she or her pokemons attack. Whenever she or any of her pokemons get hurt, she gains 10 rage. Double THAT if she or her pokemons use the ability Prime to forfeit their action for the turn. So she'd get 20 rage for every time she or her pokemon gets hurt in THAT situation. And she's able to attack multiple times due to having herself and two pokemons on the field at a time!

... I wonder why I didn't put Harriette higher in my list of Shock Trooper to start with...

EDIT: I just realized that Faynoc might hate Renny in particular, since he is one of the select few who killed all his all his Legendary Pokebrids, (Moera, The Dark and Light) and was the leader of his respective group both times. This, of course, assuming he learns about Renny's involvement in particular. *Shrugs*

[Dracorion]

Don't you go trying to make your character more important than he actually is, now.

Anyway, I don't think Burkmont knows about the Kimonos, but I'm not sure. I seem to remember something about Burkmont not having made it into the ruins yet. Nope, yes he has.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Don't you go trying to make your character more important than he actually is, now.

I know, it's nothing more than a canon omake, but still worth noting in case the two ever interacted, since only Charlotte (Moera) or Matthias (Light and Dark) fought any of his minions aside from Renny. But Renny is the only one to do so repeatably. A constant thorn in the side if you will. ^^; Not that Faynoc will ever know.

Faynoc: And now, you ignorant fools of PATCA, you'll feel my wrath!
Renny: I'll stop your cruel experimentations, or my name isn't Renny Tresserhorn!
Faynoc: ... Is that supposed to be shake me with fear? Your name isn't worth the shit that my lab flunkies clean up. You're but a mere brat!
*Far away, Faynoc's lab janitor has to clean up after utter crap that several of Faynoc's legendary monsters create, Lugia especially being much larger than a Rapidash...*
Renny: ... I thought it would. You failed to kill my group 3 times...
Faynoc: Oh please. That says nothing about your accomplishments.
Renny: I led one of the groups that killed Moera and then Phantomere. You tried to send an entire squad to my house including the Dark and the Light. They died to my group too.
Faynoc: *Starts frothing at the mouth, biting lips and muttering unspeakable curses*

[Geminex]

Wow. Drac discussing balancing. Lemme get my popcorn.

I'm sure that the RPS is broken as hell in half a dozen of different ways. But I'll be waiting to see how exactly it's broken, before I make balancing suggestions. As such, I won't be joining the follow-me discussion.

As for Menarker's item, I find myself siding with Drac. Menarker's first proposal was rather overpowered. I'm fine with AB's suggestion for now. Though that might not last the mission.

Oh, and didn't we say that trainers would only be allowed to deploy 1 pokemon?

And Drac, what the fuck? Pierce doesn't know nearly enough to be drawing those conclusions IC. And no, Impact won't be going master of battle. God no. He won't be using Latios in battle. He'll be using it... between missions.

[Menarker]

Gem, in regards to only being able to deploy one pokemon, I kinda thought that was how it might be, but AB posted this earlier...

Originally Posted by Armored Bishoujo

Once that's done, decide on a formation setup. Like this:

[Matthias] [Evolith/Device Space 1] [Renny's Pokemon 1] [Renny's Pokemon 2] [Charlotte's Pokemon 1] [Charlotte's Pokemon 2] [Shock Trooper's Pokemon 1] [Shock Trooper] [Shock Trooper's Pokemon 2] [Evolith/Device Space 2] [Impact] [Engineer] [Pierce's Pokemon 1] [Pierce's Pokemon 2] [Medic]

By Evolith Device Spaces 1 & 2, you can select where the Engineer deploys the Evolith and where he or she would deploy a device like a weather negating device. He or she can have an Evolith and a device deployed at the same time.

Showing multiple pokemon slots for the same trainer and all.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Oh, and didn't we say that trainers would only be allowed to deploy 1 pokemon?

Don't think that applies anymore with the DSS and all.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And Drac, what the fuck? Pierce doesn't know nearly enough to be drawing those conclusions IC. And no, Impact won't be going master of battle. God no. He won't be using Latios in battle. He'll be using it... between missions.

Sure he does. The Impact one, anyway. I think it's pretty clear that Impact doesn't like Pokemon. I mean, he grew up in a town that was terrorized by pokemon, he referred to them as monsters, and he's a pure Slayer. That's all pretty contributive to the theory that he doesn't like pokemon. Then he told Pierce to keep his pokemon away from him (and didn't specify that it was just Nagarai) and didn't want to take Latios.

The extent of his contact with Latios extended as far a touching it's snout, which is less than any non-pokehatin' person. His reaction wasn't like "huh, I guess this isn't so bad", it was trying to be that. And it was so obvious it might as well have pulled out it's cock and slapped everyone across the face with it.

Besides, this hasn't turned Pierce off of supporting Impact as leader at all. He's hoping the guy will turn around and realize that pokemon ain't that bad.

I took some liberty with the Faynoc one because we're doing this mission anyway and nothing we do in-game is going to change that so what the hell.