Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 1315

Amake · 11-07-2014, 02:40 AM

And now the widespread, frantic destruction slows down to show us a small, personal moment where all the ways the dead may be brought back to life is not foremost in the mind of those affected. I'm still thinking it's all going to work in the future when you can read the whole story. Ignoring the context of linear time may still be necessary to enjoy the comic at the moment, of course.

Bard The 5th LW · 11-07-2014, 11:43 AM

I legitimately have no idea as to what counts as heroic anymore in this story.

POS Industries · 11-07-2014, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bard The 5th LW

I legitimately have no idea as to what counts as heroic anymore in this story.

I've honestly never been clear on what counted as just, either.

Like with Vriska, I figured that a just death meant that she'd done enough evil already that being killed on her way to do something actually heroic still meant it was a just death, but then Jade and Jane's deaths were considered just even though they were the victims of mind control while they happened and therefore weren't responsible for any of the evil they'd been party to.

So I think "heroic" and "just" both mean "whatever's most convenient to the narrative."

Loyal · 11-07-2014, 03:29 PM

John tried to fight Jack Black, got punked so hard it hardly counted as a fight, and came back to life not long after.

Rose tries to fight the Condesce, gets punked so hard it hardly counts as a fight, and dies heroically.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bard The 5th LW · 11-08-2014, 03:35 PM

Like, I interpreted a heroic death as being one that is actually a meaningful sacrifice. Like, karat suggests john would have died a heroic death had he tried to bring the tumor to the green sun. But like, rose, jake, and Dave all just sorta died in vane without accomplishing anything (especially rose) so I just really don't get it.

Solid Snake · 11-08-2014, 04:54 PM

Yeah, I no longer believe there's really any consistent logic behind the Heroic/Just death dichotomy aside from Andrew delaying deaths until the moment he wanted everyone to die.

It's also interesting that the characters remaining include two of my favorite characters (John and Roxy) and my least favorite character (Dirk). Is anyone else even alive? Jade, maybe? I don't even remember that recent flash, which is a bad sign given that it wasn't year-old content or anything.

**Revising Ocelot** · 11-08-2014, 05:09 PM

I think Dirk just commited suicide by glitching out of reality, or something. And I think all the trolls are dead except for Terezi and Aradia (anyone remember her? naaaaaaah). Although Terezi might just go and die right now like Rose did.

Aldurin · 11-08-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Is anyone else even alive? Jade, maybe? I don't even remember that recent flash, which is a bad sign given that it wasn't year-old content or anything.

This is probably a common problem, as readers like us have to come to terms with the fact that "we remember enough" was actually "wait shit I remember more Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff plot than this what is even going on?" I might actually have to go to the wiki to see what the actual event timeline is.

And to the Heroic/Just discussion, everyone is now a plot puppet. Even John is being literally transposed narratively to patch together this ending. Which feels even worse than the Hussie/Caliborn conversations after they got old.

rpgdemon · 11-08-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Loyal

John tried to fight Jack Black, got punked so hard it hardly counted as a fight, and came back to life not long after.

Rose tries to fight the Condesce, gets punked so hard it hardly counts as a fight, and dies heroically.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The way I figure it is, John really didn't have a choice but fight Jack. It was more like, "Hey, anyone seen my dad? Oh, shit, Jack is here and he totally just murdered my dad." He wasn't trying to go start a fight with Jack, he just happened to end up in one.

Rose on the other hand specifically wanted to fight the Condesce, and went out of her way to do so.

Though, I think Doc Scratch might have said something like, "The clock is ~mysterious~ and bullshitty and can do what it wants", so the real answer is probably: It's the whim of paradox space. Which has been really clearly established to be the same as: It's the whim of the story. If there is one thing Paradox Space seems to do, it's push the characters into being involved in this story. That's sort of the whole point of the great question or whatever it's called: Do the players have any agency, when Paradox Space is fating them to tell the story it wants?

Locke cole · 11-08-2014, 05:42 PM

There's actually a newspost up today wherein he goes over his reasoning behind this latest rash of justice/heroism.

He notes that Jade was just barely to one side of it, and that John's and Rose's situations were indeed nearly identical.

11-07-2014, 02:40 AM	#13141
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	And now the widespread, frantic destruction slows down to show us a small, personal moment where all the ways the dead may be brought back to life is not foremost in the mind of those affected. I'm still thinking it's all going to work in the future when you can read the whole story. Ignoring the context of linear time may still be necessary to enjoy the comic at the moment, of course. __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed

11-08-2014, 04:54 PM	#13146
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Yeah, I no longer believe there's really any consistent logic behind the Heroic/Just death dichotomy aside from Andrew delaying deaths until the moment he wanted everyone to die. It's also interesting that the characters remaining include two of my favorite characters (John and Roxy) and my least favorite character (Dirk). Is anyone else even alive? Jade, maybe? I don't even remember that recent flash, which is a bad sign given that it wasn't year-old content or anything. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

11-08-2014, 05:09 PM	#13147
Revising Ocelot Douchebag Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Probably somewhere in England. Posts: 1,897	I think Dirk just commited suicide by glitching out of reality, or something. And I think all the trolls are dead except for Terezi and Aradia (anyone remember her? naaaaaaah). Although Terezi might just go and die right now like Rose did. __________________ magic sucks Last edited by Revising Ocelot; 11-08-2014 at 05:13 PM.

11-07-2014, 11:43 AM	#13142
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	I legitimately have no idea as to what counts as heroic anymore in this story.

11-08-2014, 03:35 PM	#13145
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Like, I interpreted a heroic death as being one that is actually a meaningful sacrifice. Like, karat suggests john would have died a heroic death had he tried to bring the tumor to the green sun. But like, rose, jake, and Dave all just sorta died in vane without accomplishing anything (especially rose) so I just really don't get it.