Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Loyal]

The imps are just the most adorable things ever.

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

That's kind of the whole key to Jack's plan. He had DD create Bec through paradox cloning in order to send him to Earth's past, get prototyped, and thereby gain nigh omnipotence via its addition to his transformation while wearing the Black Queen's ring.

Which is the key to Doc Scratch's plan, because it allows Jack to tear through the dimensional boundaries into the trolls' universe and kill Snowman, whose death destroys all existence, which creates Lord English via the ~ATH program Sollux made that Karkat ran in a fit of stupid, stupid rage.

It's all very simple.

DD is the only one badass enough to successfully kill Dave in cold blood. Although I have problems with how Jade is gonna convince (or force) Bec into the kernelsprite. Maybe she'll throw in one of those Squiddly dolls. That'd be pretty hilarious with imps randomly getting pulled together.

[Bard The 5th LW]

This may have been posted here before, but I will just put this here.

Jade: Wow, thanks for saving my life Bec!
Bec: woof
Jade: Hmmm, it sure would be great if you could talk. That way I could thank you.
Bec: woof
Jade: OH I KNOW! Hop into the Kernel sprite. Then you can talk and be smart and everything! Go on, do it boy!

[Geminex]

That's kind of the whole key to Jack's plan. He had DD create Bec through paradox cloning in order to send him to Earth's past, get prototyped, and thereby gain nigh omnipotence via its addition to his transformation while wearing the Black Queen's ring.

Which is the key to Doc Scratch's plan, because it allows Jack to tear through the dimensional boundaries into the trolls' universe and kill Snowman, whose death destroys all existence, which creates Lord English via the ~ATH program Sollux made that Karkat ran in a fit of stupid, stupid rage.

It's all very simple.

Huh.
First, the 'Prototpying Bec' bit...
I'd actually considered that myself...
But from what we've learned about guardians so far, they're omnipotent. From what we've heard about protoyping so far, you can prototype it only if its dead/doomed.
The only way I could think of to Doom Bec (not unmake him temporally, that'd be easy, but to make it so that he will suffer harm in the future), would be to get a Bec from a doomed timeline (in which case he'd be doomed by default), and prototype with him in the current timeline. But how d'you get Bec to travel from an alternate timeline to yours? For that matter, how'd Jack do it?
I think there's certainly a reason why Jack had Bec created, but to prototype with him? Not one of them.

And speaking of Bec and alternate timelines and Bec, still confuses me why the MEOW code wasn't important in said doomed timeline. As Alternate-Timeline-Rose said, it was just meaningless scribbles. I can understand that, without John creating paradox clones of them, none of them would ever have been paradox clones in the first place, but how would that Impact the origin of Bec?

Anyway, back to your theories. Even assuming that Jack was gonna do the whole 'prototype Bec to become all-powerful' bit, how would Doc Scratch come into it? I mean, except for tying Snowman's death to the end of the universe, how did he actually do anything?
For that matter, why do you reason that Jack would kill Snowman? Just a desire to kill all the Black Queens (all of them), no matter where and when? I can't think of a good reason.

And hell, it's not necessary for all that to happen. The entire point of Lord English is that he's omnipotent and can time travel. The universe will end eventually, no matter what anyone does, and then he can appear where and whenever he likes to wreak havoc. What's the point of ending the universe a little 'earlier'?

It's interesting, but... I dunno. I think whatever's gonna happen will be a bit more rational.

Also, I never said that Vriska was pure and unadulterated evil, or that the stuff she does gets more horrible exponentially. She's just seeming worse and worse. Or at least she was at the point where I had made that post. Because back then it was less 'Oh wow, Vriska's actually helping'. And more 'Oh wow, Vriska's manipulating John for no real reason at all and she's stopping his reunion with dad at the last minute and now she's telling him she wants to help him god what a bitch'. So for the time, I think the remark was well-qualified.
And why yes, I do have too much time on my hands. Thank you for asking.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vriska did help John.

It wouldn't be unlikely to say that in a failed timeline, Vriska didn't wake up him up on time, he missed the server disk on time, and that Jade died due to a meteor.

Because as we have seen, there are many a failed timeline.

[Geminex]

I'm not saying it wasn't good that she woke him up. Just saying that she seemed like a pretty horrible person when she woke him up and we saw Dad getting all sad at not getting to reunite with his son/half-brother.

[Krylo]

But how would she even know that was happening?

That's like saying someone's a horrible person for knocking on your door right when the trio of swedish super models are about to hop in bed with you. Sure it kinda sucks you missed out on that dream, but it's not like they had any idea.

[Geminex]

Well, at the time it didn't seem like she had any kinde of beneficial motive. From what we knew about Vriska, it was that she was not a very nice person at all. It was reasonable to assume that her actions would again be motivated by selfish reasons (and hell, we still don't know that they aren't). So even if she wasn't interrupting him intentionally, she shouldn't have been interrupting him in the first place. Or that's how it seemed.

To use your example, the person knocking on your door would be a marketer trying to sell you vacuum cleaners. Sure, he didn't know he was interrupting the best wet dream of your life, but if he had just left you alone in the first place, he wouldn't have caused any harm.

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OK WE ARE OFFICIALLY OVERANALYZING THIS
THATS ENOUGH
LETS GET BACK TO OVERANALYZING SOMETHING ELSE
Like, I dunno, Pos' theories. Am I the only one who finds them sorta unsupported? Or did I miss something?

[katiuska]

Originally Posted by Geminex

And speaking of Bec and alternate timelines and Bec, still confuses me why the MEOW code wasn't important in said doomed timeline. As Alternate-Timeline-Rose said, it was just meaningless scribbles. I can understand that, without John creating paradox clones of them, none of them would ever have been paradox clones in the first place, but how would that Impact the origin of Bec?

In Alternate Future Dave's timeline, John was killed and Jade never made it into the Medium. The MEOW code was therefore never relevant, because even if they could have created Bec, they'd never have access to him or his powers.

[Geminex]

But Bec existed in that timeline!

I mean yes, John died and Jade as well, probably, but Bec existed, didn't he? He was the planet's, and Jade's, guardian.

Unlesess you're saying that his being Jade's guardian depends on weird time shit that's gonna be caused by John and/or Jade later?