Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 271

Dracorion · 11-28-2010, 11:22 AM

I wanna say Lil' Cal is finally dead. If Jack didn't tear that motherfucker apart, the fire should've done it.

But let's face it: Lil' Cal is going to live forever.

Overcast · 11-28-2010, 12:01 PM

My issue about the issue is being entirely incapable of saying what is what. How much power does Lord English have? How much Power does Bec have? Does being prototyped Bec's power = being on par with Lord English? Is it more about the ambition that makes Lord English+the power rather than just the power itself? Will Jack come across something relating to the green sun later on that will eventually push him over to the final end? WAs he tricked out of the Kids universe and into the Troll universe so that he could get stuck there forced to try to manipulate himself into existance in a thousand other universes while the trolls steal away to the one they created finally. Do the kids end up having to come around to the Troll universe in order to fight Jackspers Bec Niorcrow or just to pull them out.

It goes on and on and on.

But Gem you can't pull away his victory in this with a repertoire of snark, he is far too strong in the smug.

Bard The 5th LW · 11-28-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Token

On the subject of Jack being LE, there are still a lot of hints if you look at the Intermission. LE's vault was hidden behind a door with a spade on it, which recognized Slick's barcode. We know the Jackspers still has his bar code, and as different instances of the same character, it stands to reason that their codes would be the same. This next bit is just a guess, but The Felt are glowy-green, have limited time-space powers, and are entirely unlike any other creature that has been seen in the game. My theory is that they're constructs made by something with First Guardian powers, sort of like sentient Green Lantern constructs. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack could make something like that; he was already an "Ace," has a quad-prototyped ring, and now the power of Bec.

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So is Jack actually Lord English?

Read question below.

The formal answer is "inconclusive".

That said, you can speculate anything you want, as long as you realize that Lord English probably should be able to fit into this coat without looking like an idiot.

According to Andrew, he has purposely been leaving the identities of the 'Demon' and Lord English vague to make us think they are the same person. He hasn't confirmed anything, but he says there is still a possibility that they are different people.

BitVyper · 11-28-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Token

On the subject of Jack being LE, there are still a lot of hints if you look at the Intermission. LE's vault was hidden behind a door with a spade on it, which recognized Slick's barcode. We know the Jackspers still has his bar code, and as different instances of the same character, it stands to reason that their codes would be the same. This next bit is just a guess, but The Felt are glowy-green, have limited time-space powers, and are entirely unlike any other creature that has been seen in the game. My theory is that they're constructs made by something with First Guardian powers, sort of like sentient Green Lantern constructs. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack could make something like that; he was already an "Ace," has a quad-prototyped ring, and now the power of Bec.

Yeah, the theory cropped up back then too, although it wasn't so well supported then, especially since we had no idea what the place and purpose of the intermission was back then. I still seems like the most plausible explanation for Lord English available at the moment.

However, if Jack IS Lord English, I don't think he'll be so before some major changes. Hell, maybe Lord English is somehow the other Jack. Either way, I don't think the ring will matter to Lord English.

There is still another ring floating around with access to these powers.

Bard The 5th LW · 11-28-2010, 12:49 PM

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There is still another ring floating around with access to these powers.

Everyone is Lord English.

But I actually did forget about the 2nd ring. This gives means for two sepulchritude prototyped carapaces.

Loyal · 11-28-2010, 12:54 PM

Seems the popular fan-choice for the other ringbearer is not the White Queen, but the Peregrine Mendicant.

Dracorion · 11-28-2010, 12:55 PM

The second ring is currently on Earth and we don't know that even First Guardians can cross into the Medium on their own power.

Marc v4.0 · 11-28-2010, 01:08 PM

Jack just jumped sessions, and opening portals to the Home area outside the game is something built directly in to the game itself. It is rather doubtful at this point that he or PM wouldn't have the power to do so if they wished

BitVyper · 11-28-2010, 01:36 PM

We all understand what "omnipotence" means, right?

As far as First Guardians go, they follow pretty strict paths, Dr. Manhattan style, it seems. It's probably not so much a matter of what they CAN do as it is a matter of what they DO do.

Edit: The First Guardians are probably more bound to a particular course than someone who happens to have gotten their hands on First Guardian powers. That said, nah, I think travel between universes probably still takes some doing. As far as accessing Paradox Space goes, I can't imagine they're incapable of time travel when it's such a trivial thing for SBURB players, so getting in would really be as simple as showing up when a player entered a session, even if they couldn't bust in on their own.

Bard The 5th LW · 11-28-2010, 01:42 PM

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The second ring is currently on Earth and we don't know that even First Guardians can cross into the Medium on their own power.

It is not 'currently' on Earth. It was shown to be in possession of WV when he was brooding on Skaia. He then kept it till he went to Earth. He went to Earth at some point during the 24 hours of the reckoning.

We still have no idea what he did with it between those two points while he was in the medium.

11-28-2010, 11:22 AM	#2701
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	I wanna say Lil' Cal is finally dead. If Jack didn't tear that motherfucker apart, the fire should've done it. But let's face it: Lil' Cal is going to live forever. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

11-28-2010, 12:01 PM	#2702
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	My issue about the issue is being entirely incapable of saying what is what. How much power does Lord English have? How much Power does Bec have? Does being prototyped Bec's power = being on par with Lord English? Is it more about the ambition that makes Lord English+the power rather than just the power itself? Will Jack come across something relating to the green sun later on that will eventually push him over to the final end? WAs he tricked out of the Kids universe and into the Troll universe so that he could get stuck there forced to try to manipulate himself into existance in a thousand other universes while the trolls steal away to the one they created finally. Do the kids end up having to come around to the Troll universe in order to fight Jackspers Bec Niorcrow or just to pull them out. It goes on and on and on. But Gem you can't pull away his victory in this with a repertoire of snark, he is far too strong in the smug. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

11-28-2010, 12:55 PM	#2707
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	The second ring is currently on Earth and we don't know that even First Guardians can cross into the Medium on their own power. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

11-28-2010, 01:08 PM	#2708
Marc v4.0 Fight Me, Nerds Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,470	Jack just jumped sessions, and opening portals to the Home area outside the game is something built directly in to the game itself. It is rather doubtful at this point that he or PM wouldn't have the power to do so if they wished __________________

11-28-2010, 01:36 PM	#2709
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	We all understand what "omnipotence" means, right? As far as First Guardians go, they follow pretty strict paths, Dr. Manhattan style, it seems. It's probably not so much a matter of what they CAN do as it is a matter of what they DO do. Edit: The First Guardians are probably more bound to a particular course than someone who happens to have gotten their hands on First Guardian powers. That said, nah, I think travel between universes probably still takes some doing. As far as accessing Paradox Space goes, I can't imagine they're incapable of time travel when it's such a trivial thing for SBURB players, so getting in would really be as simple as showing up when a player entered a session, even if they couldn't bust in on their own. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 11-28-2010 at 01:42 PM.