Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 488

Loyal · 01-31-2011, 10:48 PM

No, he had a staredown with Kanaya, and then he HOPE'd the matriorb, completely unprovoked. Then she attacked (understandably), and he killed her.

Like, if he had just walked out of the transportalizer after killing Fef, Kanaya likely would have made it an immediate priority to check on Fef/Sollux with Karkat. She wasn't a threat until he provoked her into becoming a threat.

Kim · 01-31-2011, 10:49 PM

Kanaya was going to attack him, as was Fef, so him attacking them makes sense. I mean, he's always been a total fuckwad who was, in case you forgot, trying to kill all the surface dwellers. His immediate response to encountering something non-hostile in his world was to kill them all. He's a very bad person and not a particularly smart one either. This really fits in line with that.

As for why Karkat didn't stop him, I think there are two very simple explanations for that.

1. Karkat is not as brave as some might like to believe.
OR
2. He was in shock.

Both are likely, though I'd lean more towards the latter than the former, in part because Karkat has killed a bunch of stuff, but also because we really have no frame of reference for how long that took, plus Karkat would honestly be genuinely surprised at it all happening. Hell, the audience was.

Plus, it was established forever ago that the trolls were all going to die, IIRC. This is Hussie keeping that promise, so it's not out of nowhere, and with a race as awful as the trolls, even though a lot of these are really nice ones, that they'd be their own demise does make a degree of sense, especially when you've got characters like Vriska and Eriden in the mix.

NINJA'D: Point, though I return to my "Eriden is just plain awful" point.

Arcanum · 01-31-2011, 10:58 PM

Eridan has a genocide complex. We've known this since he was introduced. He saw the matriorb and maybe something clicked that there was his chance. So he blew it up and accomplished his dreams of genocide. In addition to that he also fulfilled what he believes was his role as the Prince of Hope; someone who destroys hope. Sure that may not have been the game's intention, but it also wasn't the game's intention for Eridan to murder the Angels in his world. After all, like what Nonsie said, Eridan is a terrible troll, even by troll standards.

Loyal · 01-31-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

NINJA'D: Point, though I return to my "Eriden is just plain awful" point.

Agreed. Unfortunately, whatever characterization he might have had toward his awfulness has been stifled by an utter lack of screentime. As a result, the reader's seeing a hopeless romantic whose onscreen appearances have shown him as somewhere between lukewarm and downright friendly toward his fellow troll (his backstory Dualscar shenanigans notwithstanding). And then, from the reader's perspective, he suddenly turns into a batshit psycho over the course of a single conversation, murdering his ex-crush and close friend in one go.

By comparison, Vriska gets a lot of screentime (all the screentime, etc), exhaustively and unmistakably painting her as an unrepentant monster who just loves what she does. Despite her feelings toward Tavros, his death is expected and, looking back, inevitable without interference from a third party.

Bard The 5th LW · 01-31-2011, 11:09 PM

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By comparison, Vriska gets a lot of screentime (all the screentime, etc), exhaustively and unmistakably painting her as an unrepentant monster who just loves what she does. Despite her feelings toward Tavros, his death is expected and, looking back, inevitable without interference from a third party.

Agreed. More or less, Vriska is predictable. Gamzee and Eridan? Not so much, but it was always possible with Eridan.

Marc v4.0 · 01-31-2011, 11:16 PM

Again, Kanaya had NOT MADE A MOVE for anything and he just glared around and capped her one. He just had a civil and friendly conversation with her. We can only -guess- she was going to do something, because he didn't even give her a chance to not get in his way, making her an obstacle for really no reason. I know, land trolls, genocide, bluh bluh, his actions are poorly executed by the story during that line of scenes

Just Turrible.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 01-31-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc v1.0

Again, Kanaya had NOT MADE A MOVE for anything and he just glared around and capped her one. He just had a civil and friendly conversation with her. We can only -guess- she was going to do something, because he didn't even give her a chance to not get in his way, making her an obstacle for really no reason. I know, land trolls, genocide, bluh bluh, his actions are poorly executed by the story during that line of scenes

Just Turrible.

From a character perspective, it was a terrible thing to do. But from a story perspective it makes pretty good sense.

Since terrible people do terrible things.

Specterbane · 01-31-2011, 11:26 PM

Actually, in the last "game" update, if you check out Kanaya while as Eridan he says he'll "help" her with the matriorb once he's done. Likewise, Kanaya wasn't attacked till she charged him with her lipstick. So Eridan attacking Kanaya isn't all that surprising, however him going after the orb was just to crush her hope. Which he feels is his role, telling when all hope is lost.

Over all I'd say the game's been trying to make him realize everything can't go his way and he's been completely oblivious to it, cause he's royalty or whatever reason he feels like giving for why he shouldn't have to try in order to get what he wants.

Overcast · 01-31-2011, 11:33 PM

Indeed, remember that when kanya is holding her lipstick at the ready like that it should feel exactly the same as if she had her hand on the pullstart. The lipstick is the chainsaw and vicer versa.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 01-31-2011, 11:44 PM

Also, just to sort of interject this here:
I'm still holding out hope Vriska might turn out to somehow not be horrendously evil and whatnot, since I think she and John are pretty cute together.
That is all.

01-31-2011, 10:49 PM	#4872
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Kanaya was going to attack him, as was Fef, so him attacking them makes sense. I mean, he's always been a total fuckwad who was, in case you forgot, trying to kill all the surface dwellers. His immediate response to encountering something non-hostile in his world was to kill them all. He's a very bad person and not a particularly smart one either. This really fits in line with that. As for why Karkat didn't stop him, I think there are two very simple explanations for that. 1. Karkat is not as brave as some might like to believe. OR 2. He was in shock. Both are likely, though I'd lean more towards the latter than the former, in part because Karkat has killed a bunch of stuff, but also because we really have no frame of reference for how long that took, plus Karkat would honestly be genuinely surprised at it all happening. Hell, the audience was. Plus, it was established forever ago that the trolls were all going to die, IIRC. This is Hussie keeping that promise, so it's not out of nowhere, and with a race as awful as the trolls, even though a lot of these are really nice ones, that they'd be their own demise does make a degree of sense, especially when you've got characters like Vriska and Eriden in the mix. NINJA'D: Point, though I return to my "Eriden is just plain awful" point. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

01-31-2011, 11:16 PM	#4876
Marc v4.0 Fight Me, Nerds Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,470	Again, Kanaya had NOT MADE A MOVE for anything and he just glared around and capped her one. He just had a civil and friendly conversation with her. We can only -guess- she was going to do something, because he didn't even give her a chance to not get in his way, making her an obstacle for really no reason. I know, land trolls, genocide, bluh bluh, his actions are poorly executed by the story during that line of scenes Just Turrible. __________________

01-31-2011, 11:26 PM	#4878
Specterbane Safety First Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Land of Gumdrops and Ice-cream Posts: 746	Actually, in the last "game" update, if you check out Kanaya while as Eridan he says he'll "help" her with the matriorb once he's done. Likewise, Kanaya wasn't attacked till she charged him with her lipstick. So Eridan attacking Kanaya isn't all that surprising, however him going after the orb was just to crush her hope. Which he feels is his role, telling when all hope is lost. Over all I'd say the game's been trying to make him realize everything can't go his way and he's been completely oblivious to it, cause he's royalty or whatever reason he feels like giving for why he shouldn't have to try in order to get what he wants. __________________ http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpos...ostcount=10436

01-31-2011, 11:33 PM	#4879
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	Indeed, remember that when kanya is holding her lipstick at the ready like that it should feel exactly the same as if she had her hand on the pullstart. The lipstick is the chainsaw and vicer versa. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

01-31-2011, 10:58 PM	#4873
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	Eridan has a genocide complex. We've known this since he was introduced. He saw the matriorb and maybe something clicked that there was his chance. So he blew it up and accomplished his dreams of genocide. In addition to that he also fulfilled what he believes was his role as the Prince of Hope; someone who destroys hope. Sure that may not have been the game's intention, but it also wasn't the game's intention for Eridan to murder the Angels in his world. After all, like what Nonsie said, Eridan is a terrible troll, even by troll standards.