Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

HERESY.

Nope just wrong (and awful)

Originally Posted by BitVyper

I think Vriska's already not horrendously evil.

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[BitVyper]

Characters dying purely to simplify these issues is specifically what I'm afraid of.

You'd have to kill pretty much all the trolls except Vriska and either Karkat or Terezi (unless you kill Dave). At that point it's pretty much TPK for the trolls anyway.

Anyway, I don't think you can really count any of the deaths that have happened so far as having been for simplicity's sake (none of the dead trolls really stood to complicate anything), so I see no evidence that this will be true in the future. Of course, that won't stop it from being interpretted such. Which isn't a suggestion that YOU will, just sayin I'm sure someone will be around after Karkat's dramatic death to say that it only happened so that Terezi and Dave could hook up.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

But perhaps the better way to phrase that sentence you objected to is that Eridan and Gamzee both had the potential buried deep within their one-note comedic relief presentations to become deeper and more meaningful characters, and by turning them instead into one-dimensional villains, Andrew has permanently nixed those opportunities and chose to go in a fundamentally different direction than one I'd prefer.

In all fairness, we haven't really seen enough of either characters turn at villainy to really say for sure that they are one-note or two-dimensional or whatever. I feel like they are developing, but that said developing doesn't necessarily have to involve them becoming better people.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

You'd have to kill pretty much all the trolls except Vriska and either Karkat or Terezi (unless you kill Dave). At that point it's pretty much TPK for the trolls anyway.

Anyway, I don't think you can really count any of the deaths that have happened so far as having been for simplicity's sake (none of the dead trolls really stood to complicate anything), so I see no evidence that this will be true in the future. Of course, that won't stop it from being interpretted such. Which isn't a suggestion that YOU will, just sayin I'm sure someone will be around after Karkat's dramatic death to say that it only happened so that Terezi and Dave could hook up.

Nah man it's pretty simple.

All the trolls but Nepeta.

So she can update her shipping wall.

EDIT: You could actually keep hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Karkat / Terezi / Vriska / Equius / Nepeta / Aradia / Sollux / Gamzee

Sollux / Aradia / Nepeta / Terezi / Gamzee

Sollux / Aradia / Karkat / Gamzee

Sollux / Aradia / Vriska / Gamzee / Nepeta

and Equius instead of Sollux in each of the above

And wrap things up for a nice tidy complications-free shipping grid.

[Krylo]

Nepeta will never survive to the end.

[BitVyper]

Pretty much I just think that if we do get more character deaths, there will be many purposes for them, and that they'll be left largely open to interpretation. We still don't really know a lot of what's going on behind the scenes in terms of manipulations from the big players.

Nepeta will never survive to the end.

She's wearing such a big "kill me" sign that it could really go either way and still be shocking with her on the simple basis that it's too obvious.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

We still don't really know a lot of what's going on behind the scenes in terms of manipulations from the big players.

If it turns out that Vriska has been manipulating Eridan and/or Gamzee this whole time I swear I will walk to Andrew's house and punch him.

...Not that I seriously think that'd happen, but your sentence there did alert me to the possibility.

[BitVyper]

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If it turns out that Vriska has been manipulating Eridan and/or Gamzee this whole time I swear I will walk to Andrew's house and punch him.

Vriska is not one of the big players. At this point, any unknowns with her are totally unknown to us. In the absence of further information, we know what she knows, what she wants, and what she has done to influence events. There's no suggestion that she's any more involved or aware than we already know her to be.

And really, she's pretty clever, but not actually all that great of a manipulator.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

You'd have to kill pretty much all the trolls except Vriska and either Karkat or Terezi (unless you kill Dave). At that point it's pretty much TPK for the trolls anyway.

Sollux and Aradia is still pretty up in the air. Their relationship had a lot more background and development to it than either Sollux/Feferi or Aradiabot/Equius. And Vriska's absolutely going to die, because she's beyond the point of redemption, which brings us to...

Anyway, I don't think you can really count any of the deaths that have happened so far as having been for simplicity's sake (none of the dead trolls really stood to complicate anything

...Kanaya. Vriska's not going to survive this, and Kanaya's two romantic interests were her and Rose. There aren't going to be any cross-species couples because ew, so Rose and Kanaya just weren't going to happen, either. Kanaya can't be allowed to live and be the saddest lesbian because that's bullshit too, so killing her off to avoid the issue entirely is a quick, easy way to solve the problem.

Then you have Tavros that's not going to happen with anyone, so he has to die. Feferi's death paves the way for Sollux/Aradia getting back together, since it was never really clear how much of Aradia's relationship with Equius was based in the robot's programming and it was a pretty fucked up, abusive thing they had going anyway. Nepeta's desperately in love with Karkat and can't have him because of Terezi (Terezi/Dave isn't going to happen due to cross-species squick as well, by the way, fuck your heresy), and the cuts on Gamzee's face heavily suggest he encountered Nepeta, and that's probably not something that ended well for her. And if Nepeta went down, her lifelong protector Equius probably died shortly beforehand, which itself also neatly paves the way for Sollux/Aradia. Then Eridan and Gamzee go evil specifically so they can be killed off, because Eridan was FOREVER ALONE and Gamzee had spent the whole story too high to get into a relationship with anyone to begin with.

I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just really really worried that it will, because it's very likely all those characters are slated to be killed off anyway seeing where the plot is going at the moment.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

wrong (and awful)

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