Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Karesh

I dunno...John seemed awfully cheeryto be talking to Karkat right before he made the Scratch happen. From his perspective, If Karkat died to Jack almost immediately after, then his last talk with him would be "JOHN I AM GONNA DIE I HOPE YOU CAN SUCCEED AS A LEADER WHERE I FAILED". You'd think he would have more of a reaction from Karkat suddenly showing up again.

You're assuming Karkat knew Jack was coming.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Actually, Karkat could totally have made those plans with John already. We don't know when Jack reaching their thing and when John's last convo with Karkat are relative each other on the timeline.

While this is definitely a possibility, I have to see that my kneejerk reaction would be disappointment in Andrew if that were the case. Not even so much because Terezi and Karkat died tragically, moreso that if that's the case I'd much prefer a chronological approach over the time-skipping.

It'd have a much greater visceral impact on the audience if we saw the full scope of Karkat and John's plans, saw Terezi and Karkat reunite, spent time with them and then Jack shows up. We'd simultaneously feel more closure for the characters (as we'd actually have a few final moments with them, even if we didn't know at the time they were final) and we'd be far more shocked and appalled by their deaths.

As is, the recent progression of the narrative has made it ever-more difficult to actually feel any emotional resonance with the loss of characters because so much is happening off-screen. Filling in the gaps after the fact won't have the same effect. Why would we care about the details of Karkat and John's plans if we already know that Karkat and Terezi will die and those plans will fail? By contrast, if we actually had the chance to invest in their schemes and if we truly believed they could succeed, the intended impact of the tragedy would be far stronger.

Mind you this, all criticism only applies if your hypothetical explanation is accurate, and knowing Andrew he has something else up his sleeve. Or maybe Karkat's plan even relied on him and the other trolls dying to have its effect (though all the dead being able to return to the land of the living through some deus ex machina would seem an exploitative copout.)
As much as I'd like to criticize Andrew I've certainly learned my lesson from the Kanaya 'resurrection,' he probably has a plan. Won't stop me from voicing an immediate reaction if I feel he's misstepped, though.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by NonCon

You're assuming Karkat knew Jack was coming.

Ahh, that's true. I kinda figure Terezi would tell the rest about it. But I guess there's the possibility she'd keep it secret since there's nothing to do about it and panicking would be pointless.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

It'd have a much greater visceral impact on the audience if we saw the full scope of Karkat and John's plans, saw Terezi and Karkat reunite, spent time with them and then Jack shows up. We'd simultaneously feel more closure for the characters (as we'd actually have a few final moments with them, even if we didn't know at the time they were final) and we'd be far more shocked and appalled by their deaths.

As is, the recent progression of the narrative has made it ever-more difficult to actually feel any emotional resonance with the loss of characters because so much is happening off-screen. Filling in the gaps after the fact won't have the same effect. Why would we care about the details of Karkat and John's plans if we already know that Karkat and Terezi will die and those plans will fail? By contrast, if we actually had the chance to invest in their schemes and if we truly believed they could succeed, the intended impact of the tragedy would be far stronger.

Well, I think that it ends up being two different feelings that we could have gotten, when we see the plan, if we see the plan.

Had the plan been revealed, then Karkat's death, we'd have a sudden shock, were John has no idea that he'll only be seeing Karkat's corpse, if they ever meet up.

If Karkat dies, then the plan gets revealed, we see it in the light of something that'll never come to pass, and just a sort of sad affair for the viewers.

Which makes me think that the plan isn't actually what we sort of vaguely have an idea about thinking it is, and instead the reveal of the plan will be something that surprises us, such as all meeting in the dream bubbles or something, since they're outside the universe that will be reset, presumably.

[IHateMakingNames]

I'm more interested in the banner at this point. I don't really care how Vriska will get away again while everyone else dies. I want to know what SS is doing.

[rpgdemon]

Burning the place. Remember, from back when we were there before?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Homestuck isn't a particularly linear story. We may still get an idea of whats going on.

John's 'see ya soon' line does sorta make this weird though. I guess Karkat may have just finished planning with John, which makes it pretty depressing.

[IHateMakingNames]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Burning the place. Remember, from back when we were there before?

I remember it ending here, and nothing about SS burning down the place.

[Flarecobra]

But looking at the banner, he's pouring oil on the ground... Either way, I don't think it's good.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

I remember it ending here, and nothing about SS burning down the place.

What the heck, how did I know that SS was going to burn the place down then?

It was totally mentioned somewhere in comic, because I knew with complete certainty that SS was going to start burning the place, before he got out the oil.

Edit: Ahah!

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005527