Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 705

rpgdemon · 06-01-2011, 08:05 PM

Are we though? I mean, it's the one where Vriska won still, and there's no way she wouldn't win.

I never really got the doomed timelines based on coin flip thing, though.

Solid Snake · 06-01-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

Welp, nothing to see here. We're in the doomed timeline created by Terezi's last coin flip. Everybody move along, nothing here matters.

I'm not so sure.

Note the picture Scratch is looking at.

Note what Scratch says. "It's also logical, since there is essentially nothing new in paradox space. Everything that can happen is either a visual or substantive reproduction of something which has already transpired on a timeline, offshoot or otherwise."

Finally, see this.

It sounds as if Scratch is saying that Terezi and Karkat were destined to die a certain way in every timeline, and if Gamzee didn't do it in one (doomed) timeline, Jack was going to do it and create the exact same scene in another (alpha) timeline.

POS Industries · 06-01-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Are we though? I mean, it's the one where Vriska won still, and there's no way she wouldn't win.

I never really got the doomed timelines based on coin flip thing, though.

Basically, the idea behind it is that the coin results themselves are irrelevant so much as the choice the person in question makes during the flip. In Dave's case, the result was the same but what he determined would be the consequence of that result was different in each timeline.

For Vriska, there was no random chance involved because she chose which side on which the coin would land. That decision created two separate timelines. The one we are viewing now is the one where everyone died as a result: the doomed timeline. The other one where she decided the coin would land differently is the one where Jack doesn't have a trail to follow back to the hideout and kill everyone, so they don't die.

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Finally, see this.

Conversely, see the next page. That end result of their deaths in that manner was the sign to Aradia that she was in a doomed timeline, so she got out of it. I don't believe this situation is any different.

Solid Snake · 06-01-2011, 08:13 PM

I'm not so sure, though. Scratch's language in describing that "everything that can happen is either a visual or substantive reproduction of something which has already transpired on a timeline, offshoot or otherwise" really seems to suggest that alpha-timeline Karkat and Terezi are doomed to die in a similar situation regardless. Unless Scratch is trolling us. And I wouldn't put that past Andrew.

POS Industries · 06-01-2011, 08:13 PM

It's also very noteworthy that Scratch pointed out that he is actually unaware of what's going on here, but is merely making educated guesses on the matter.

Solid Snake · 06-01-2011, 08:15 PM

I was just going to add, doesn't Scratch earlier suggest that the result of the Vriska / Terezi coin toss is the same across all timelines? I'll try to find the quote, but I'm just recalling this offhand.

Marc v4.0 · 06-01-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

Welp, nothing to see here. We're in the doomed timeline created by Terezi's last coin flip. Everybody move along, nothing here matters.

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The result of the flip was left inconclusive, at which point you decided to pay me a visit.

But the inconclusive should not be confused with the uncertain. The actual result was trivial; it was a constant across all timelines.

Her last coin flip didn't follow the same rules as the others. The result was a constant instead of an uncertainty. Vriska always made it come out in her favor, there is no room for "a universe where it didn't happen that way"

Constant means Constant. There would be no reason to single that coin flip out as being a constant if there was a deviance where she decided to make the coin flip land so she didn't 'go'.

POS Industries · 06-01-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc v1.0

Her last coin flip didn't follow the same rules as the others. The result was a constant instead of an uncertainty. Vriska always made it come out in her favor, there is no room for "a universe where it didn't happen that way"

Well, the end result is that she made it come out in her favor. That was never in dispute and was constant across all timelines.

The thing that isn't constant here is what her favor actually was, because it's whatever she decides it to be. In the presumed alpha timeline that we're not viewing, her favor was one where she stayed. In this one, it was one where she left.

Marc v4.0 · 06-01-2011, 08:21 PM

We are viewing the Alpha timeline. Seriously. Lets not obsfucate the issue by assuming a speculation based on no evidence to be a hard fact.

Shit is already a pain in the ass to follow as it is

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

That end result of their deaths in that manner was the sign to Aradia that she was in a doomed timeline, so she got out of it. I don't believe this situation is any different.

The breaking point of that Timeline was Gamzee flipping out, not the manner of K and T's death. The timeline was broken before that point came to pass, and the signs that it was a doomed timeline were present from the time Gamzee snapped.

Solid Snake · 06-01-2011, 08:23 PM

Regardless, I want to know whose red shoes those are, above Terezi and Karkat's dead bodies. Gamzee's? If so, was Gamzee was left alive, or was he killed too? If not Gamzee, it'd have to be Sollux or Kanaya, right?

06-01-2011, 08:05 PM	#7041
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Are we though? I mean, it's the one where Vriska won still, and there's no way she wouldn't win. I never really got the doomed timelines based on coin flip thing, though. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

06-01-2011, 08:13 PM	#7044
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	I'm not so sure, though. Scratch's language in describing that "everything that can happen is either a visual or substantive reproduction of something which has already transpired on a timeline, offshoot or otherwise" really seems to suggest that alpha-timeline Karkat and Terezi are doomed to die in a similar situation regardless. Unless Scratch is trolling us. And I wouldn't put that past Andrew. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

06-01-2011, 08:13 PM	#7045
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	It's also very noteworthy that Scratch pointed out that he is actually unaware of what's going on here, but is merely making educated guesses on the matter. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

06-01-2011, 08:15 PM	#7046
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	I was just going to add, doesn't Scratch earlier suggest that the result of the Vriska / Terezi coin toss is the same across all timelines? I'll try to find the quote, but I'm just recalling this offhand. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

06-01-2011, 08:23 PM	#7050
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Regardless, I want to know whose red shoes those are, above Terezi and Karkat's dead bodies. Gamzee's? If so, was Gamzee was left alive, or was he killed too? If not Gamzee, it'd have to be Sollux or Kanaya, right? __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.