Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 839

POS Industries · 10-06-2011, 04:20 PM

Fine, but if we make the trolls Gimli and Legolas (if we're going to be that insistent on point of entry into the story), then we're really giving them a downgrade in overall importance than being Gollum, aren't we?

Bard The 5th LW · 10-06-2011, 04:20 PM

Acts 1 - 3 are barely a 3rd of the story considering Act 5(s) is 1/2 the story.

Art of Hilt · 10-06-2011, 04:21 PM

I only said Aragorn.
Honestly I never got the point of Gimli and Legolas.
Were they supposed to be, like, token Dwarf and token Elf? I'm pretty sure that was their actual stated role in the story. Like the guy went, "WE NEED TOKEN DWARF AND TOKEN ELF TO REPRESENT RACIAL DIVERSITY. GIMLI AND LEGLOAS, STEP UP."

POS Industries · 10-06-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Art of Hilt

I only said Aragorn.

Yeah, but they ain't Aragorn.

Art of Hilt · 10-06-2011, 04:27 PM

They're more Aragorn than they are Lando or Gollum though.
To be clear we're not talking about ALL the trolls, right? Just the patron/important ones.

POS Industries · 10-06-2011, 04:36 PM

I'm talking all of them in general.

The Gollum comparison fits because they are so heavily important to the background of the story, came into the main tale itself later, and became hugely important at the end. The Lando comparison is showing how they should be handled versus how they actually are.

Karkat's been developed as much as he has because it's easier and more fun to write a character who yells and curses all the time than it is a sweet, derpy, naive little kid like John. And I like Karkat. Hell, I even usually find him more fun to read than I do John, but that's because his characterization allows someone like Hussie more room to breathe and entertain.

But he's still a side character.

Fifthfiend · 10-06-2011, 04:39 PM

Karkat is plainly Samwise.

POS Industries · 10-06-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Karkat is plainly Samwise.

Maybe if you're into slashfiction, sure.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-06-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

I'm talking all of them in general.

The Gollum comparison fits because they are so heavily important to the background of the story, came into the main tale itself later, and became hugely important at the end. The Lando comparison is showing how they should be handled versus how they actually are.

Karkat's been developed as much as he has because it's easier and more fun to write a character who yells and curses all the time than it is a sweet, derpy, naive little kid like John. And I like Karkat. Hell, I even usually find him more fun to read than I do John, but that's because his characterization allows someone like Hussie more room to breathe and entertain.

But he's still a side character.

Does John really need to develop for the time being?
With the parallels between the two groups I kind of thought that John and the rest of the kids development would somehow come after their game was over, and somehow after changing the trolls for the better through their interactions the trolls would use their newfound perspective to help the kids.

POS Industries · 10-06-2011, 04:50 PM

If you aren't developing your main characters gradually throughout the story, you're doing it wrong.

10-06-2011, 04:20 PM	#8381
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Fine, but if we make the trolls Gimli and Legolas (if we're going to be that insistent on point of entry into the story), then we're really giving them a downgrade in overall importance than being Gollum, aren't we? __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

10-06-2011, 04:21 PM	#8383
Art of Hilt tamp tamp tamp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,270	I only said Aragorn. Honestly I never got the point of Gimli and Legolas. Were they supposed to be, like, token Dwarf and token Elf? I'm pretty sure that was their actual stated role in the story. Like the guy went, "WE NEED TOKEN DWARF AND TOKEN ELF TO REPRESENT RACIAL DIVERSITY. GIMLI AND LEGLOAS, STEP UP." __________________ Hey baby, I hear the blues a-callin'. Tossed salad and scrambled eggs Oh My! Mercy! And maybe I seem a bit confused, yeah maybe, but I got you pegged! But I don�t know what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggs. They're calling again.

10-06-2011, 04:27 PM	#8385
Art of Hilt tamp tamp tamp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,270	They're more Aragorn than they are Lando or Gollum though. To be clear we're not talking about ALL the trolls, right? Just the patron/important ones. __________________ Hey baby, I hear the blues a-callin'. Tossed salad and scrambled eggs Oh My! Mercy! And maybe I seem a bit confused, yeah maybe, but I got you pegged! But I don�t know what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggs. They're calling again.

10-06-2011, 04:36 PM	#8386
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Dave is Aragorn, John is Frodo, Rose is Sam, and Jade is both Mary and Pippin. I'm talking all of them in general. The Gollum comparison fits because they are so heavily important to the background of the story, came into the main tale itself later, and became hugely important at the end. The Lando comparison is showing how they should be handled versus how they actually are. Karkat's been developed as much as he has because it's easier and more fun to write a character who yells and curses all the time than it is a sweet, derpy, naive little kid like John. And I like Karkat. Hell, I even usually find him more fun to read than I do John, but that's because his characterization allows someone like Hussie more room to breathe and entertain. But he's still a side character. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

10-06-2011, 04:39 PM	#8387
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	Karkat is plainly Samwise. __________________ check out my buttspresso

10-06-2011, 04:20 PM	#8382
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Acts 1 - 3 are barely a 3rd of the story considering Act 5(s) is 1/2 the story.

10-06-2011, 04:50 PM	#8390
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	If you aren't developing your main characters gradually throughout the story, you're doing it wrong. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.