Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 861

Fifthfiend · 10-28-2011, 03:14 PM

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Geminex · 10-28-2011, 03:14 PM

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**Revising Ocelot** · 10-28-2011, 03:17 PM

We need* a NPF Shipping Thread.

Actually we don't, but that's irrelevant.

rpgdemon · 10-28-2011, 03:55 PM

This is just getting weird now.

Specterbane · 10-28-2011, 04:22 PM

Now? This is just getting weird "Now"? Where have you been rpg?

Loyal · 10-28-2011, 08:06 PM

Just leaving this here.

rpgdemon · 10-29-2011, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Specterbane

Now? This is just getting weird "Now"? Where have you been rpg?

The thread, I mean.

POS Industries · 10-29-2011, 05:14 PM

OH HOLY SHITCOCKS YOU GUYS IT'S TIME FOR...

BETWEEN-ACT HIATUS FAN THEORIZIN

So it occurred to me that, while we know the basic histories of Nanna and Grandpa's arrival on Earth and the paths their lives took them on, we've never really been given similar histories for Mom and Bro. Of course, it's entirely possible that their lives up to finding Rose and Dave are simply unimportant. On the other hand, this is fucking Homestuck. Even Jade's narcolepsy was given an explanation as the result of deliberate actions by another character. Shit that we have been under the impression was completely unimportant time and again has ended up being an actual thing that was totally important. And, as we've been shown by the points in time that the trolls' ancestors arrived, such factors are of grave importance.

The ancestors and guardians were sent to places key to their roles in influencing their sessions' players.

Nanna and Grandpa both landed in Sassacre's yard, the latter's arrival resulting in the good Colonel's death and remanding the two into the care of Sassacre's wife, Betty Crocker, herself being the Troll Empress sent by Doc Scratch on a mission to guide the lives of the guardians in such a way that would eventually result in the kids being raised in ways that would ultimately result in them causing the rise of Jack Noir. The two were also made increasingly aware of the coming of Sburb and their roles in it. Grandpa was able to live long enough to take an active role and given the means to do so via inheriting Crocker's corporate empire, whereas Nanna ultimate fate prohibited her from doing much more than preparing her son to teach John everything she would have were she have been alive to do so.

Mom and Bro, however, landed many years later. However, they too were informed and prepared for Sburb, Mom even appearing to work for a company responsible in some way for its development. This presents two potential "parents," for all intents and purposes, to have adopted them. The first is Grandpa, who at that point was likely in the initial stages of his preparations for time-traveling shenanigans involving the game. However, neither of their personalities seem all that consistent with someone who would been raised under the care of a Teddy Rooseveltian badass such as himself, nor familiarity with him, as the complete lack of interaction between himself and Mom during their shared scene in [S] Descend seems to demonstrate.

The other possibility is Her Imperious Condescension, which strikes me as more likely. While Nanna and Grandpa at least had the posthumous positive fatherly influence of Colonel Sassacre to guide them to perseverance against the abusive parentage of a psychotic alien overlord, the younger guardians' personalities seem more consistent with the trauma of being cared for by the Condesce alone.

Granted, it's hard to say for sure here how much is nurture versus nature, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that they were raised in such ways that the more negative aspects of their personalities would develop in the ways they had. Neither is particularly capable of forging a healthy emotional connection with their own kids, and each has developed their own unique personal issues that have further crippled them in this regard. Bro is something of a slave to his own sexual fetishes without any effort to try to try to hide it beyond the thin veil of "satirical irony" and, while her need to escape into alcohol is certainly no help, Mom seems to have been raised in such a way that she has no idea how to believably communicate the very sincere love and admiration she has for her daughter. In fact, her best attempts come off as a twisted parody of a doting mother and homemaker, thus further driving the wedge between her and Rose.

Such displays could as well be a form of overcompensation for the affection she never received from her won evil extraterrestrial mother, despite her every hypothetical effort to earn it, perhaps even leading her into the employ of a company once owned by the Condesce herself. Bro, on the other hand, may have taken a similar route as Grandpa in dealing with being raised by the Condesce, by escaping to a life as a rapping ventriloquist roof ninja in Houston. He would have had just enough information to fulfill his destiny in regard to raising Dave and preparing him for Sburb, which seems to have been all he needed.

This is, of course, purely speculation without a whole lot of evidence to support it outside of taking a look at what happened with Nanna and Grandpa and comparing it to how Mom and Bro turned out, but it's not outside the realm of probability. After all, we know that the Condesce was on Earth at least into the latter end of the last decade, and it's doubtful she was just sitting on her hump doing fuckall that whole time.

Bard The 5th LW · 10-29-2011, 05:27 PM

The condece could possibly be alive even in the Exile's era (although not anymore now that the Universe was destroyed). It DOES sorta beg the question of what she may have been doing.

It really depends on what becomes of LE. If LE remains a behind the scenes Villain, and we don't get a full bead on him, then it seems likely that we won't see much more of HIC. I doubt Hussie would seriously leave that plot thread closed though, seeing all of the other plot threads he explored which weren't nearly as relevant as Lord Fucking English destroyer of worlds and master of all time.

POS Industries · 10-29-2011, 05:43 PM

I would say that LE will probably find himself as the "final boss" of the story, as even Jack has long since been shown to be another pawn in the grander scheme as opposed to the primary villain, and his luck has pretty effectively run out as of [S] Cascade. PM is on equal footing with him, Jade is more powerful, and the other god tier players aren't exactly far behind. Dave and Aradia have the means to contain him, Rose has the potential combined powerset of both Vriska (who was shown to be potentially able to defeat him singlehandedly) and Terezi (who killed Vriska singlehandedly) at her disposal, and he hasn't been able to put John down permanently yet.

Jack is old and busted, Lord English is the new hotness.

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10-28-2011, 03:55 PM	#8604
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	This is just getting weird now. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

10-28-2011, 04:22 PM	#8605
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10-29-2011, 05:14 PM	#8608
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	OH HOLY SHITCOCKS YOU GUYS IT'S TIME FOR... BETWEEN-ACT HIATUS FAN THEORIZIN So it occurred to me that, while we know the basic histories of Nanna and Grandpa's arrival on Earth and the paths their lives took them on, we've never really been given similar histories for Mom and Bro. Of course, it's entirely possible that their lives up to finding Rose and Dave are simply unimportant. On the other hand, this is fucking Homestuck. Even Jade's narcolepsy was given an explanation as the result of deliberate actions by another character. Shit that we have been under the impression was completely unimportant time and again has ended up being an actual thing that was totally important. And, as we've been shown by the points in time that the trolls' ancestors arrived, such factors are of grave importance. The ancestors and guardians were sent to places key to their roles in influencing their sessions' players. Nanna and Grandpa both landed in Sassacre's yard, the latter's arrival resulting in the good Colonel's death and remanding the two into the care of Sassacre's wife, Betty Crocker, herself being the Troll Empress sent by Doc Scratch on a mission to guide the lives of the guardians in such a way that would eventually result in the kids being raised in ways that would ultimately result in them causing the rise of Jack Noir. The two were also made increasingly aware of the coming of Sburb and their roles in it. Grandpa was able to live long enough to take an active role and given the means to do so via inheriting Crocker's corporate empire, whereas Nanna ultimate fate prohibited her from doing much more than preparing her son to teach John everything she would have were she have been alive to do so. Mom and Bro, however, landed many years later. However, they too were informed and prepared for Sburb, Mom even appearing to work for a company responsible in some way for its development. This presents two potential "parents," for all intents and purposes, to have adopted them. The first is Grandpa, who at that point was likely in the initial stages of his preparations for time-traveling shenanigans involving the game. However, neither of their personalities seem all that consistent with someone who would been raised under the care of a Teddy Rooseveltian badass such as himself, nor familiarity with him, as the complete lack of interaction between himself and Mom during their shared scene in [S] Descend seems to demonstrate. The other possibility is Her Imperious Condescension, which strikes me as more likely. While Nanna and Grandpa at least had the posthumous positive fatherly influence of Colonel Sassacre to guide them to perseverance against the abusive parentage of a psychotic alien overlord, the younger guardians' personalities seem more consistent with the trauma of being cared for by the Condesce alone. Granted, it's hard to say for sure here how much is nurture versus nature, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility that they were raised in such ways that the more negative aspects of their personalities would develop in the ways they had. Neither is particularly capable of forging a healthy emotional connection with their own kids, and each has developed their own unique personal issues that have further crippled them in this regard. Bro is something of a slave to his own sexual fetishes without any effort to try to try to hide it beyond the thin veil of "satirical irony" and, while her need to escape into alcohol is certainly no help, Mom seems to have been raised in such a way that she has no idea how to believably communicate the very sincere love and admiration she has for her daughter. In fact, her best attempts come off as a twisted parody of a doting mother and homemaker, thus further driving the wedge between her and Rose. Such displays could as well be a form of overcompensation for the affection she never received from her won evil extraterrestrial mother, despite her every hypothetical effort to earn it, perhaps even leading her into the employ of a company once owned by the Condesce herself. Bro, on the other hand, may have taken a similar route as Grandpa in dealing with being raised by the Condesce, by escaping to a life as a rapping ventriloquist roof ninja in Houston. He would have had just enough information to fulfill his destiny in regard to raising Dave and preparing him for Sburb, which seems to have been all he needed. This is, of course, purely speculation without a whole lot of evidence to support it outside of taking a look at what happened with Nanna and Grandpa and comparing it to how Mom and Bro turned out, but it's not outside the realm of probability. After all, we know that the Condesce was on Earth at least into the latter end of the last decade, and it's doubtful she was just sitting on her hump doing fuckall that whole time. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

10-28-2011, 03:14 PM	#8602
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10-29-2011, 05:27 PM	#8609
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	The condece could possibly be alive even in the Exile's era (although not anymore now that the Universe was destroyed). It DOES sorta beg the question of what she may have been doing. It really depends on what becomes of LE. If LE remains a behind the scenes Villain, and we don't get a full bead on him, then it seems likely that we won't see much more of HIC. I doubt Hussie would seriously leave that plot thread closed though, seeing all of the other plot threads he explored which weren't nearly as relevant as Lord Fucking English destroyer of worlds and master of all time.

10-29-2011, 05:43 PM	#8610
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	I would say that LE will probably find himself as the "final boss" of the story, as even Jack has long since been shown to be another pawn in the grander scheme as opposed to the primary villain, and his luck has pretty effectively run out as of [S] Cascade. PM is on equal footing with him, Jade is more powerful, and the other god tier players aren't exactly far behind. Dave and Aradia have the means to contain him, Rose has the potential combined powerset of both Vriska (who was shown to be potentially able to defeat him singlehandedly) and Terezi (who killed Vriska singlehandedly) at her disposal, and he hasn't been able to put John down permanently yet. Jack is old and busted, Lord English is the new hotness. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.