Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Mr.Bookworm]

My personal thoughts are that the themes of inevitably and predestination and all of that in Homestuck almost just went out the window with the end of Act 5 and the Intermission.

Trollian time window stuff no longer works, the last thing ever supposed to happen in the universe has happened with the appearance of Lord English, and everyone involved is almost completely off the map.

There will certainly still be time shenanigans and all, but they lack the easy access to knowledge of the future they had, unless I'm missing something. That the universe is predestined doesn't actually matter if there's no knowledge of where it's headed by the heroes.

[POS Industries]

Yeah, at the very least they can now pretend like they're totally the masters of their own destiny and no one can tell them any different regardless of whether or not it's true.

[Fifthfiend]

Nah they've still got Aradia and Dave as the official Gods of Buzzkill.

[Fifthfiend]

CG: OKAY GUYS FIRST WE'RE GONNA DO THIS THEN THIS THEN OPEN A TIME VORTEX HERE THEN PUNCH LORD ENGLISH IN THE TEMPORAL KIDNEYS THERE THEN

Dave: *TIMEBLINK*

TG: nope

CG: GOD FUCKING DAMMIT STRIDER

[POS Industries]

CG: OKAY SO SINCE STRIDER HAD TO BE A FUCKING NOOKSLAPPING JACKASS WE'RE GOING TO TRY A NEW PLAN WHERE

TT: Nope.

CG: OH COME THE FUCK ON LALONDE, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TIME BULLSHIT.

TT: I saw what's going to happen, Karkat. It gets us all killed. Also, Lord English honks at you mockingly and I imagine you'll be pretty embarrassed.

TC: honk.

CG: SHUT UP.

TC: MOTHERFUCKIN HONK.

CG: NO GODDAMMIT, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

GC: H3H3H3 SH3'S R1GHT, K4RK4T, 1 S4W 1T TOO. YOU PR3TTY MUCH G3T HONKF3D STR41GHT UP TH3 BON3BULDG3. >:]

CG: FUCKING FINE, HOW ABOUT WE JUST

AA: nope!

CG: THEN WHAT ABOUT

GA: No That Will Just Make It Worse

CG: RIGHT, BUT WHAT IF WE

TG: nope

CG: OR HOW ABOUT

GC: NOP3 >:?

CG: WAIT, I'VE GOT IT. LET'S JUST

TT: Yes, that's actually pretty smart. Good idea.

CG: WAIT, REALLY?

TT: Nope.

CG: OH GO CLIMB A HIVE OF OOZING SEEDFLAPS, LALONDE. HERE'S AN IDEA, WHY DON'T YOU ALL JUST

TC: honk. :o)

CG: YOU KNOW WHAT? FUCK THIS AND FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. I'M GOING TO GO HOP RIGHT BACK INTO OUR SESSION, PROSTRATE MY SHAME GLOBES RIGHT UP IN JACK'S FACE, AND BEG HIM TO STAB ME UNTIL THE END OF ETERNITY. WAY TO GO, TEAM. THIS IS WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHEN WE FUCKING WORK TOGETHER.

[Locke cole]

Indistinguishable from actual dialogue. Bravo, man.

[CelesJessa]

I just realized something: (spoiler'd? I'm willing to bet it's not a coincidence and will come into play later) The shorthand for all of the kid’s and troll’s screennames all only use GTCA. AKA they’re totally a DNA sequence. John’s is the only one to break the pattern with EB. BUT early in Homestuck he changed his Pesterchum handle to EB from GT.

Hmmmmmmmm….

[Dracorion]

It's right there in the MSPA wiki.

[CelesJessa]

Dammit. I'm going over to the stupid corner now.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

This is all very true and obviously plays into the central theme in Homestuck of the impossibility of subverting the inevitable. LE, the ultimate villain of the story, is completely reliant on inevitability to bring about his very existence, but it conceivably leaves him as much a slave to it as anyone else. The story is not about the heroes overcoming the inherent predestination involved in their lives and triumphantly carving their own fate, but rather whether or not they are even able to survive destiny and how they will or won't.

But what I'm saying about First Guardians is much more specific. There is a natural order to how the game is supposed to be played and the end result thereof, that is typical to the end of successfully creating a universe that itself eventually leads to the game in order to create the next universe in the chain. In a normal session, a First Guardian's task is to facilitate that standard purpose, thereby qualifying as a normal First Guardian from a normal session.

It has been pointed out that neither the kids' nor the trolls' sessions were normal, and therefore the First Guardians of these abnormal sessions were left with the task of facilitating the purpose of these abnormal sessions, thereby behaving as abnormal First Guardians by default. These anomalous sessions still serve a greater end to the overall functionality of the game, primarily the creation of the Green Sun, but it appears that their actions, mannerisms, and appearances are not to be taken as the standard, however broad that standard may be.

This reminds me, wasn't it stated that Scratch replaced the original first guardian, to subvert that guardian's plans?