Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 932

Bard The 5th LW · 12-12-2011, 08:21 AM

3 years is a long ass time. Can't you just bullshit physics in their favor Hussie?

BitVyper · 12-12-2011, 08:27 AM

Who knows; maybe he will. They are in his zone of influence, after all.

Edit: Also on PM vs Jack, I think PM just plain wants it more here. Jack's been running on nothin but rage, and he's kind of left himself with nothing at this point. He's kinda reached the inevitable emptiness that awaits his type. I don't think he has a chance, really. All else being equal, PM has a purpose, and I think that makes the difference.

**Revising Ocelot** · 12-12-2011, 08:32 AM

Doubtful considering the set up. Hussiebot did his levelups, now he's got to prepare the curtains.

If anything, the time skip sucks the most for WV. He's got to bleed out for three years.

EDIT: Jack's been looking for a challenge this whole time, which he certainly didn't get with GrimDark Rose. He's shocked sure, but he's going to get his full game going very quickly.

BitVyper · 12-12-2011, 08:43 AM

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EDIT: Jack's been looking for a challenge this whole time, which he certainly didn't get with GrimDark Rose. He's shocked sure, but he's going to get his full game going very quickly.

And then what? Kill PM and leave himself in an empty session, the players having long since escaped, and him without a means to find them? PM has a purpose that is driving her to overcome Jack. All Jack has is a fight with PM. It's not like this hasn't been referred to before - I recall the narrative specifically addressing Jack's turmoil over wanting to go crazynuts with his power, but knowing that he could very easily leave himself with a great big empty eternity.

Obviously this is just my reckoning on why PM will beat Jack. Anything could happen in the end, and I'm sure Hussie will throw some curveballs anyway. However, like I said, PM just wants it more right now.

We did see another version of Jack confronted with the prospect of destroying his One True Foe in Cascade, and he did falter momentarily. Luckily for him, his kismesis was there helping him make the choice. PM don't give a fuck - she'll cut his head off the instant he falters.

IHateMakingNames · 12-12-2011, 08:53 AM

For those of you who don't know Morse code (Everyone) and don't want to go translate it.

Serenity: You suck!!!

**Revising Ocelot** · 12-12-2011, 08:54 AM

Before PM popped in, he was making angry faces at the Green Sun in Cascade. He's still got the trolls to finish off - or he could do a variation of what happened with Vriska's alternate timeline and simply follow them to whatever new session(s) they end up in, and get his destruction on. Since Jade died and he went cross-universe, he knows there's a lot more out there than the session he sprang from, and so he's been destroying stuff with abandon.

Locke cole · 12-12-2011, 11:51 AM

Yeah, but I thought that the idea was that that particular pulse of light isn't going to last forever before it dies down to a quiet glow that may not be visible from that distance. If that's the case, then getting waylaid by PM could cost him his chance to teleport-murder the rest of the trolls. We now know that he can't teleport directly to the Green Sun.

Mr.Bookworm · 12-12-2011, 12:26 PM

No, the Green Sun is now visible from that point, in the exact same way the actual sun is. It just took the light a looooooooong time to get there.

Although I'm pretty sure Jade just indicated (getting an actual infodump, no strings attached, is kind of a relief) that he couldn't telemurder the trolls anyway. He would have to physically travel there, limited by the speed of light, which presumably takes a while if the Horrorterrors aren't helping you.

Locke cole · 12-12-2011, 12:31 PM

According to Andrew's Tumblr, in explaining Cascade, he refers to the light of the ancient explosion that created the Green Sun as a "momentary beacon" for the trolls to follow, which is why Sollux went all out with the flight of the meteor.

I'm assuming that means that the explosion that formed it was momentarily brighter than the light it sheds during its normal lifespan. Bright enough to be seen further than normal.

BitVyper · 12-12-2011, 01:30 PM

It was always referred to as a temporary beacon that was related to the explosion itself, not just the green sun. If it weren't, the green sun would have always been visible from all sessions. Dave and Rose got to the Furthest Ring "before" (I'm putting before in quotes here because it's like saying before there was a concept of before) it existed because of the way travelling through paradox space works at that distance. Aradia got there "after" it was made, and it was never visible from her session until well after she went there.

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CG: APPARENTLY THE EXPLOSION WILL BE SO HUGE, IT WILL BE VISIBLE AT GREAT DISTANCES THROUGHOUT THE FURTHEST RING.

It's the explosion, not the sun itself.

Also keep in mind that according to Jade, even if he turned around and made a mad dash for the beacon right now, Jack would be limited to light speed if he wanted to travel there, whereas the kids all had various ways of getting around the time issue (being able to navigate time for Dave and Aradia, and some kind of psychic FTL travel for the rest of the trolls).

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JADE: but we could only teleport locally
JADE: which means, bec could jump to anywhere in our universe, but not to another universe, or into a session
JADE: and jack could jump to anywhere in our session, but not outside it
JADE: we cant even jump to the green sun itself, even though we sort of serve as a gateway to it, and all its energy

Jack can't stand the boredom of being trapped for a few seconds by Aradia. If he kills PM, he's trapped in a big black nothing for a lot longer even IF he manages to do so in enough time to see the beacon. We've seen that this is something he thinks about, and I've demonstrated that he's faltered under just such circumstances.

It may or may not be what actually happens, but everything we've seen about his character and the circumstances indicates that, as I said, PM is the one who really wants to win here. Even if Jack is temporarily excited by the appearance of a worthy opponent.

12-12-2011, 08:27 AM	#9312
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Who knows; maybe he will. They are in his zone of influence, after all. Edit: Also on PM vs Jack, I think PM just plain wants it more here. Jack's been running on nothin but rage, and he's kind of left himself with nothing at this point. He's kinda reached the inevitable emptiness that awaits his type. I don't think he has a chance, really. All else being equal, PM has a purpose, and I think that makes the difference. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 12-12-2011 at 08:32 AM.

12-12-2011, 08:32 AM	#9313
Revising Ocelot Douchebag Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Probably somewhere in England. Posts: 1,897	Doubtful considering the set up. Hussiebot did his levelups, now he's got to prepare the curtains. If anything, the time skip sucks the most for WV. He's got to bleed out for three years. EDIT: Jack's been looking for a challenge this whole time, which he certainly didn't get with GrimDark Rose. He's shocked sure, but he's going to get his full game going very quickly. __________________ magic sucks Last edited by Revising Ocelot; 12-12-2011 at 08:35 AM.

12-12-2011, 08:53 AM	#9315
IHateMakingNames Awwwwh Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12,119	For those of you who don't know Morse code (Everyone) and don't want to go translate it. Serenity: You suck!!! __________________ "If I'm reincarnated, I want to be Musashi again!" - Musashi, Brave Fencer Musashi

12-12-2011, 08:54 AM	#9316
Revising Ocelot Douchebag Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Probably somewhere in England. Posts: 1,897	Before PM popped in, he was making angry faces at the Green Sun in Cascade. He's still got the trolls to finish off - or he could do a variation of what happened with Vriska's alternate timeline and simply follow them to whatever new session(s) they end up in, and get his destruction on. Since Jade died and he went cross-universe, he knows there's a lot more out there than the session he sprang from, and so he's been destroying stuff with abandon. __________________ magic sucks

12-12-2011, 08:21 AM	#9311
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	3 years is a long ass time. Can't you just bullshit physics in their favor Hussie?

12-12-2011, 12:26 PM	#9318
Mr.Bookworm YYYEEEEEAAAAAAHHH Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,034	No, the Green Sun is now visible from that point, in the exact same way the actual sun is. It just took the light a looooooooong time to get there. Although I'm pretty sure Jade just indicated (getting an actual infodump, no strings attached, is kind of a relief) that he couldn't telemurder the trolls anyway. He would have to physically travel there, limited by the speed of light, which presumably takes a while if the Horrorterrors aren't helping you.