Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 941

Marc v4.0 · 12-14-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BitVyper

Jade and John aren't going to the Green Sun as far as I can recall. My understanding is that everyone is going to go to THEM once they're in the new universe.

But yeah, at this point John is probably around the same level as Vriska - maybe a bit higher or lower - and Jack would be eight kinds of fucked in a matchup with Jade. I mean he would probably have even or even better odds if not for the fact that he's still got Bec's loyalty to her.

I would actually put Jack's odds much lower against Jade, only for the fact that Jack is only tapping what power the Ring lets him take and Jade is directly connected to it now.

This is assuming the Ring has an upper limit to just how powerful it can make you, but I am willing to bet that it isn't a direct 1-to-1 deal. I can't see Jack being able to take on a real Guardian at all.

Art of Hilt · 12-14-2011, 03:42 PM

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Yeah, but Vriska was/is still probably the most powerful god tier excepting Jade, and even she, going all out, was only barely keeping pace with how quickly Jack could regenerate.

Aradia could barely hold him for a few seconds.

Assuming the meteor is already in the Furthest Ring, it's possible Noir is not a threat at all whatsoever, since you can't use Green Sun powers in the Furthest Ring according to Jade.

Take away Jack's FG powers and what you get is some regular end-boss versus, worst case scenario, four top-echeladder players.

BitVyper · 12-14-2011, 03:47 PM

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since you can't use Green Sun powers in the Furthest Ring according to Jade.

No you can, you just can't teleport to it. That's all Jade was saying. He SHOULD be a lot slower getting there than everyone else, but come to think of it, that doesn't actually matter very much unless he misses the beacon and gets lost. If he follows the beacon, he'll arrive at the same time they do anyway.

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I would actually put Jack's odds much lower against Jade, only for the fact that Jack is only tapping what power the Ring lets him take and Jade is directly connected to it now.

Everything we've seen indicates that the ring grants the absolute maximum of abilities. Plus while Jade has space powers on top of her abilities, Jack also has three other prototypings powering him up, and was stated to be deadlier than a First Guardian previously.

The ring ALSO seems to let him express his power a lot more violently with things like Red Miles.

POS Industries · 12-14-2011, 03:53 PM

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Yeah, but Vriska was/is still probably the most powerful god tier excepting Jade

We don't really know how true that is, though. Especially considering that Rose potentially has the combined movesets of Terezi and Vriska, for instance, and even pre-god tier she was the only other character besides Vriska to put up anything resembling a real fight against him that didn't involve an Auto-Harley defensive strategy.

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Aradia could barely hold him for a few seconds.

If they even need that long to kill him if they work together.

BitVyper · 12-14-2011, 04:02 PM

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Especially considering that Rose potentially has the combined movesets of Terezi and Vriska, for instance

I highly doubt that she just plain has two powersets. More likely she interacts with fortune in a manner similar to how Terezi interacts with the mind (but obviously better, since she's god tier). We've seen this demonstrated in how Rose guided her friends previously - it seems like she knows who should be doing what based on where their fortunes lie. Obviously this would be amped up at the god tier level, and she'd probably have other powers as well, but most likely not a whole lot like Vriska's powerset. Vriska just straight steals all the fortune and makes it her own. It is very much bound up with the first part of her title.

Either way, she was indicated to be extremely powerful due to having the xp rewards for playing most of her session and defeating the Black King as a god tier. Rose and Dave are freshly minted god tiers, and unless they've gotten rewarded for creating the Green Sun (which happened before they were revived), they are roughly around the same level as John when he got stabbed by Jack. Magic wands are clearly a whole other thing, since even Eridan's power output went way up when he was using one, and she didn't really put up anything resembling a fight against Jack so much as she just managed to not get immediately stabbed.

I mean, all three working together probably have a chance, sure, but it is very far off from being a sure thing.

BitVyper · 12-14-2011, 04:07 PM

Also I have a feeling that timestop/stab probably wouldn't work so hot. We've seen with that one Felt how localized time disturbances affect wounds received. Conversely, the Green Sun probably doesn't really give a fuck about time as far as regenerating Jack goes. It's great for messing with him, but at low levels I'm not sure it would be especially effective for actually beating him.

Edit: I'm betting at least part of Rose's god tier powers are something along the lines of Action Man's "amp it up" deal.

Ryong · 12-14-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

Rose potentially has the combined movesets of Terezi and Vriska

Seers have the ability to see what others cannot - usually the future - but combined with their element, with Light being luck I'd say Rose is able to see both favourable and unfavourable outcomes and thus decide the best course of action...But not the way Terezi did. What Terezi saw was altered by her mind, to fit with her way of thinking.

Rose, also wouldn't have the power to steal luck nor does she have the absurdly cheaty dice.

I'm not entirely sure Jade isn't already much stronger than Vriska. I guess she needs some better equipment, though.

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Take away Jack's FG powers and what you get is some regular end-boss versus, worst case scenario, four top-echeladder players.

Compared to the trolls' endboss, nah. Bro doesn't really have anything but superspeed - and maybe superstrength - and he nearly won, without presumably having any levels whatsoever.

Edit: Fuck Ninja'd. This is what happens when you start to post and alt tab to TVtropes.

BitVyper · 12-14-2011, 04:13 PM

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I'm not entirely sure Jade isn't already much stronger than Vriska.

Jade is obviously heaps stronger than Vriska at this point. Like it was pretty much stated by Doc Scratch that Jack had an enormous power advantage against her, and Jade is at the very least around equal to Jack at this point.

POS Industries · 12-14-2011, 04:19 PM

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they are roughly around the same level as John when he got stabbed by Jack. Magic wands are clearly a whole other thing, and she didn't really put up anything resembling a fight against Jack so much as she just managed to not get immediately stabbed.

Magic wands are nothing. They were just a means perceived by the characters of channeling whatever power the player has been granted throughout the game. Eridan was just blasting people with his own angelic hope magic, and Rose was channeling the dark energies of the horrorterrors, but the wands themselves had little to do with it themselves. Rose could have very well done the same things with the bronzed vacuum cleaner.

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Originally Posted by Ryong

Seers have the ability to see what others cannot - usually the future - but combined with their element, with Light being luck I'd say Rose is able to see both favourable and unfavourable outcomes and thus decide the best course of action...But not the way Terezi did. What Terezi saw was altered by her mind, to fit with her way of thinking.

It's still the same ability in terms of practicality, only being accomplished through a different sort of in-game magical element and, as a god tier, Rose is undoubtedly able to naturally do it better.

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Rose, also wouldn't have the power to steal luck nor does she have the absurdly cheaty dice.

The absurdly cheaty dice and the specibus with which to wield them are currently traveling at warp speed to her exact location.

BitVyper · 12-14-2011, 04:39 PM

Note that Doc Scratch never directly stated anything, and his indirect statements are notoriously unreliable. However yes, I agree that the wands are probably just channeling Rose's power. I think there's more to it than that, and that it necessarily invites external influences to act on her, but basically yes, it's a means of channeling her ability. I don't think she can channel it that way without them. At least she couldn't before - she might be able to as a god tier, but I don't think it will be the same energy-blast type business. I think the wands were letting her excersize the raw power of her ability whereas her god tier powers would focus it into abilities related to her role, probably to ultimately greater effect. Much like how an essence cannon lets an Exalted throw a whole lot of raw power out there, but ultimately their charms, while not as direct an application of their ability, are vastly superior. And it had better be, because as I stated, she was doing fuck all to Jack with her power before.

12-14-2011, 04:07 PM	#9406
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Also I have a feeling that timestop/stab probably wouldn't work so hot. We've seen with that one Felt how localized time disturbances affect wounds received. Conversely, the Green Sun probably doesn't really give a fuck about time as far as regenerating Jack goes. It's great for messing with him, but at low levels I'm not sure it would be especially effective for actually beating him. Edit: I'm betting at least part of Rose's god tier powers are something along the lines of Action Man's "amp it up" deal. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 12-14-2011 at 04:10 PM.

12-14-2011, 04:39 PM	#9410
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Note that Doc Scratch never directly stated anything, and his indirect statements are notoriously unreliable. However yes, I agree that the wands are probably just channeling Rose's power. I think there's more to it than that, and that it necessarily invites external influences to act on her, but basically yes, it's a means of channeling her ability. I don't think she can channel it that way without them. At least she couldn't before - she might be able to as a god tier, but I don't think it will be the same energy-blast type business. I think the wands were letting her excersize the raw power of her ability whereas her god tier powers would focus it into abilities related to her role, probably to ultimately greater effect. Much like how an essence cannon lets an Exalted throw a whole lot of raw power out there, but ultimately their charms, while not as direct an application of their ability, are vastly superior. And it had better be, because as I stated, she was doing fuck all to Jack with her power before. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 12-14-2011 at 04:41 PM.