Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Art of Hilt]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

No you can, you just can't teleport to it. That's all Jade was saying.

No I'm pretty sure it's not just the case of "Can't teleport to the Green Sun" specifically, otherwise Jade would just teleport from one window to the other. They can't teleport at all outside the Sun's domain. I'll admit that I'm overextending this one new rule to mean that they can't use their powers at all, although I don't understand how that'd work. I mean, when you say that an area is "not the sun's domain", then it sounds like all Green Sun powers are out of the question, not just teleportation.

[BitVyper]

No I'm pretty sure it's not just the case of "Can't teleport to the Green Sun" specifically, otherwise Jade would just teleport from one window to the other.

Well yeah, but what you said was "you can't use Green Sun power in the Furthest Ring," which has nothing to do with Jade's ability to teleport while outside the Green Sun's influence. Nothing has been stated to suggest that Jack would just lose all of his power in the Furthest Ring. The narrative hasn't even suggested that he wouldn't be able to use teleportation while there, just that he would be limited to local teleportation as he is anywhere else. Jade is in a whole different situation from where Jack is headed.

[Locke cole]

By the way, Jack probably still wouldn't be able to bring himself to harm Jade. That's still a thing.

[Ryong]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Jade is obviously heaps stronger than Vriska at this point. Like it was pretty much stated by Doc Scratch that Jack had an enormous power advantage against her, and Jade is at the very least around equal to Jack at this point.

...But Vriska would've won with Ancestral Awakening? Like, she was top of her godtier, had the dice and could cheat. Her death couldn't really have happened in another way.

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Magic wands are nothing. They were just a means perceived by the characters of channeling whatever power the player has been granted throughout the game. Eridan was just blasting people with his own angelic hope magic, and Rose was channeling the dark energies of the horrorterrors, but the wands themselves had little to do with it themselves. Rose could have very well done the same things with the bronzed vacuum cleaner.

It's still the same ability in terms of practicality, only being accomplished through a different sort of in-game magical element and, as a god tier, Rose is undoubtedly able to naturally do it better.

The absurdly cheaty dice and the specibus with which to wield them are currently traveling at warp speed to her exact location.

Wands work just like any other weapon, I'd say, except it uses inner magic instead of, like, inner strength.

And the dice, well, Rose will have to wait until she sees an opportune situation where they'll have a good result. So, really, she knows when the good rolls will happen, but won't have any control over when.

So, yeah, not the combined powers of Vriska and Terezi.

[Malek]

I half expect Jade is going to run into Jack and pap-shoosh him into submission.

[BitVyper]

...But Vriska would've won with Ancestral Awakening?

Possibly. She seemed to be doing pretty good, and Doc Scratch said he wouldn't bet against her. There are factors beyond outright power, of course. Vriska had enough power to be able to challenge Jack, and the nature of her power combined with the Flourite Octet, and probably most importantly, her obsessive competitiveness (as specifically cited by Doc Scratch) all played into it as well.

[Art of Hilt]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

The narrative hasn't even suggested that he wouldn't be able to use teleportation while there, just that he would be limited to local teleportation as he is anywhere else. Jade is in a whole different situation from where Jack is headed.

JADE: and once we leave the suns domain, our travel is limited by the speed of light, like everyone else!
JADE: for example, the furthest ring is not in the suns domain
JADE: it is more like the suns medium, allowing it to exist
JADE: so if i wanted to fly out of our session and travel to the green sun, i would have to make my way there through the furthest ring at the speed of light or less
JADE: and wherever we are now is not in the suns domain either
JADE: so the same rules apply

???
It sounds like it's the exact same thing going on. They can't teleport at all because they're not in the Green Sun's domain in both the Furthest Ring and Hussie's study.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

I don't think she can channel it that way without them. At least she couldn't before - she might be able to as a god tier, but I don't think it will be the same energy-blast type business. I think the wands were letting her excersize the raw power of her ability whereas her god tier powers would focus it into abilities related to her role, probably to ultimately greater effect. Much like how an essence cannon lets an Exalted throw a whole lot of raw power out there, but ultimately their charms, while not as direct an application of their ability, are vastly superior. And it had better be, because as I stated, she was doing fuck all to Jack with her power before.

Well, previously she was using the wands to channel a power ultimately unrelated to her role. It wasn't her power so much as power given to her by the horrrorterrors, which while doing a great deal to get her ahead of the game combat-wise, likely pales in comparison to what her power alone is capable of.

Had she considered doing it at the time, blasting Jack with the power of light might have been far more effective. Hard to say, really.

I would note, however, that just as Aradia and (probably) Dave no longer needed the use of items to use their time powers after going god tier, so too would Rose have no need for items to focus her own power. And as both she and Terezi have been shown using their seer powers unaided even without going god tier, it remains to be seen just what all she can do with the light aspect of her role.

Originally Posted by Ryong

And the dice, well, Rose will have to wait until she sees an opportune situation where they'll have a good result. So, really, she knows when the good rolls will happen, but won't have any control over when.

So, yeah, not the combined powers of Vriska and Terezi.

Being a seer is less about being at the mercy of the future and more about seeing all potentialities and acting to bring about the most beneficial outcome. And while Rose doesn't have the overt "luck stealing" ability that Vriska had as a thief, she still has the capability to affect probability due to her light aspect, so the combination of abilities inherent in her role would still afford her a proactive capability, as she can lead the flow of events toward opportunities where she'd make good rolls.

The route taken is different, but the outcome is ultimately the same as what a Vriska/Terezi combination could accomplish.

...Which of course proves how little she'd really need the Lightdoken after all.

[Locke cole]

I'm not sure if her power is the ability to affect probability. Being a Seer, it may be that she can see probability.. Which could itself be very useful, especially since it also appears to have some x-ray vision powers, even when she wasn't Grimdark or on a God-Tier.

Now watch all this speculation come to naught when it turns out that being a Seer of Light actually means you have laser-eyes.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Locke cole

Now watch all this speculation come to naught when it turns out that being a Seer of Light actually means you have laser-eyes.

Best possible outcome, IMHO.