Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 993

Locke cole · 01-22-2012, 10:04 PM

Ahaha. AR steals the show.

Ecks · 01-23-2012, 05:13 PM

Hmm. Now I'm totes confused here. There's been interaction with both Jake and Jane that points to Dirk being interested in them... Roxy is claiming he's gay because he's not into her...

Dirk has the insider info here, at least as much intel as Roxy if not more. Either Alpha Earth has no bizarre anathema of incest and Dirk actually IS homosexual, or Dirk knows he's related to Roxy and she doesn't understand. Or maybe on Alpha Earth the guardians aren't related, who knows.

As for the God-tier Karkat and dead Nepeta... perhaps it is entirely possible the Derse crypt in Alpha universe HAS beds for all twelve? Though without a living dream self I guess it would have to be a doomed Karkat...

Arcanum · 01-23-2012, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EckScizor

Dirk has the insider info here, at least as much intel as Roxy if not more. Either Alpha Earth has no bizarre anathema of incest and Dirk actually IS homosexual, or Dirk knows he's related to Roxy and she doesn't understand. Or maybe on Alpha Earth the guardians aren't related, who knows.

There is no incest between any of the Alpha Kids. Jane, Jake, Dirk, and Roxy are all separate paradox clones, created solely from their own ecto-biological sludge. They are each born from themselves.

It is only the Beta Kids who are related, since Jane + Jake sludge gives us John and Jade, and Dirk + Roxy sludge gives us Rose and Dave.

e- Like, it's the exact same ectobiology that John performed, only John and friends were sent further into the past, and Jane and friends were sent to 1996.

Ecks · 01-23-2012, 05:40 PM

Derp. I should've remembered that, seeing as how I finished another archive binge a couple of weeks ago. I'm still a little confused on exactly what changes between Scratches and what stays the same.

If it weren't for Poppop Crocker's presence in Jane's house I would actually have a decent theory on why Alpha Rose and Dave haven't been present/pronounced dead... None of the session's original players stuck around for the Scratch, they escaped via not being present in the universe (stuck in the Green Sun and on a ship in an alternate reality)... so they couldn't take up their places in the Alpha timeline because they weren't there...

I've got to stop overthinking this, Paradox Space is so confusing.

Marc v4.0 · 01-23-2012, 05:45 PM

They didn't have to be there. Post-Scratch is essentially a different reality, not a rewind

Ecks · 01-23-2012, 05:48 PM

Oh. Well that makes more sense I guess.

Arcanum · 01-23-2012, 05:53 PM

Here's how I view the Scratch, and it seems to be working just fine so far:

Once the Scratch finally activated, everything inside our universe (and the session tied to that universe) started to rewind. As in literally move backwards in time. Now this is where things get wonky. The rewind includes the kids escaping from the universe, so during the rewind there are essentially two instances of the kids; those being rewound in the universe because of the Scratch, and those outside of the universe who escaped the temporal effects.

The universe stops its rewind when it reaches the beginning, or at least a point very near to the beginning, and starts over from scratch. The only difference, from what we can gather from the two scratches we've seen, is that when the ectobiology happens in the session, the temporal destinations of the kids and the guardians/ancestors are reversed. Every other difference between scratched sessions seems to be a direct result of that one simple switch.

Basically the key part here is that the kids did escape their session and avoid the scratch. But also at the same time, once the scratch activated, their escape was rewound and made null and void, at least in the eyes of the universe.

Solid Snake · 01-24-2012, 01:40 AM

+10,000 points for making the most-commonly-defined "coolest" character in Homestuck canonically gay, Hussie.

(Although I think in this troll-influenced society it's more that Dirk is the male equivalent of Kanaya, with a fetishistic "preference" for other men but without the sexuality labels.)

POS Industries · 01-24-2012, 02:32 AM

Or more accurately that it's what he would prefer it to be, as having to make a thing out of anything is just so not a cool guy thing to do.

But in truth he's totally gay.

Solid Snake · 01-24-2012, 03:04 AM

I think the most disturbing recent development is the number of individuals on the MSPA forums and Homestuck threads who are either:

1: Infuriated that Dirk is gay for openly homophobic reasons;
2: Infuriated that Dirk is gay, and desperately trying to justify their fury for narrative reasons that have 'nothing to do' with homophobia. "Dirk has more chemistry with Roxy than with Jake, this is just a move to impress gay readers." OR "This lowers my opinion of Dirk because as a 'cool guy', I preferred thinking he'd be too detached to develop any romantic feelings that would force him into a more submissive role." OR "It's not like sexual orientation has ever mattered with the kids before, why introduce this now?" (...Because these kids are three years older, maybe?)
3: Infuriated that Dirk being gay means that Bro is also gay (and therefore searching for excuses as to why environmental factors may lead two men with identical genetic structures to different sexual orientations, because for some reason Bro must have had a girlfriend or some shit; no one THAT badass could possibly be gay);
4: Hopeful that Dirk is merely bi and really prefers women so he'll someday settle down with their favorite ship candidate;
5: Hopeful that Dirk is trolling Roxy here and that he really prefers women so he'll settle down with Roxy / Jane / etc.

EDIT: Whelp guys according to MSPA "experts" I've been totally wrong all along! The argument I've heard that destroyed my arguments was simple! Because gays in fact still do exist in society today, there can be no "gay gene" (because Darwinian theory implies if there were one, everyone hatin' on gays would have killed them all off by now!) Therefore, because there is no "gay gene," homosexuality is not genetic! This means that homosexuality is determined merely by complex environmental factors and can be altered. So Bro and Dirk could in fact have very different sexual preferences, and, in fact, by correlation, evangelical Christians who attempt to indoctrinate gay teens into becoming heterosexual may actually be successful!!!

THE MORE YOU KNOW

01-23-2012, 05:45 PM	#9925
Marc v4.0 Fight Me, Nerds Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,470	They didn't have to be there. Post-Scratch is essentially a different reality, not a rewind __________________

01-23-2012, 05:53 PM	#9927
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	Here's how I view the Scratch, and it seems to be working just fine so far: Once the Scratch finally activated, everything inside our universe (and the session tied to that universe) started to rewind. As in literally move backwards in time. Now this is where things get wonky. The rewind includes the kids escaping from the universe, so during the rewind there are essentially two instances of the kids; those being rewound in the universe because of the Scratch, and those outside of the universe who escaped the temporal effects. The universe stops its rewind when it reaches the beginning, or at least a point very near to the beginning, and starts over from scratch. (HAHAHA IT'S A PUN). The only difference, from what we can gather from the two scratches we've seen, is that when the ectobiology happens in the session, the temporal destinations of the kids and the guardians/ancestors are reversed. Every other difference between scratched sessions seems to be a direct result of that one simple switch. Basically the key part here is that the kids did escape their session and avoid the scratch. But also at the same time, once the scratch activated, their escape was rewound and made null and void, at least in the eyes of the universe. __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

01-24-2012, 01:40 AM	#9928
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	+10,000 points for making the most-commonly-defined "coolest" character in Homestuck canonically gay, Hussie. (Although I think in this troll-influenced society it's more that Dirk is the male equivalent of Kanaya, with a fetishistic "preference" for other men but without the sexuality labels.) __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

01-24-2012, 02:32 AM	#9929
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Also come on everyone knows Dave's always been the coolest character. Or more accurately that it's what he would prefer it to be, as having to make a thing out of anything is just so not a cool guy thing to do. But in truth he's totally gay. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

01-24-2012, 03:04 AM	#9930
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	I think the most disturbing recent development is the number of individuals on the MSPA forums and Homestuck threads who are either: 1: Infuriated that Dirk is gay for openly homophobic reasons; 2: Infuriated that Dirk is gay, and desperately trying to justify their fury for narrative reasons that have 'nothing to do' with homophobia. "Dirk has more chemistry with Roxy than with Jake, this is just a move to impress gay readers." OR "This lowers my opinion of Dirk because as a 'cool guy', I preferred thinking he'd be too detached to develop any romantic feelings that would force him into a more submissive role." OR "It's not like sexual orientation has ever mattered with the kids before, why introduce this now?" (...Because these kids are three years older, maybe?) 3: Infuriated that Dirk being gay means that Bro is also gay (and therefore searching for excuses as to why environmental factors may lead two men with identical genetic structures to different sexual orientations, because for some reason Bro must have had a girlfriend or some shit; no one THAT badass could possibly be gay); 4: Hopeful that Dirk is merely bi and really prefers women so he'll someday settle down with their favorite ship candidate; 5: Hopeful that Dirk is trolling Roxy here and that he really prefers women so he'll settle down with Roxy / Jane / etc. EDIT: Whelp guys according to MSPA "experts" I've been totally wrong all along! The argument I've heard that destroyed my arguments was simple! Because gays in fact still do exist in society today, there can be no "gay gene" (because Darwinian theory implies if there were one, everyone hatin' on gays would have killed them all off by now!) Therefore, because there is no "gay gene," homosexuality is not genetic! This means that homosexuality is determined merely by complex environmental factors and can be altered. So Bro and Dirk could in fact have very different sexual preferences, and, in fact, by correlation, evangelical Christians who attempt to indoctrinate gay teens into becoming heterosexual may actually be successful!!! *THE MORE YOU KNOW* __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text. Last edited by Solid Snake; 01-24-2012 at 03:15 AM.