Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Odjn]

Probably as the Lord of Time he has control over some Weird Time Shit.

[Locke cole]

Which would make it problematic if his true ascension was the result of a Juju that could be undone by the Crowbar.

This is all wild speculation on my part, of course.

[Flarecobra]

Man, that's royally fucking with the 4th wall there.

[Bard The 5th LW]

A story of clowns and crowbars

[Arcanum]

Damn, Caliborn and Dirk have the same Denizen. And apparently he's super tough

[Locke cole]

Well, Yaldabaoth is the deity who created humanity in Gnosticism. Also, Gnosticism holds that the God worshipped by religions such as Christianity is actually Yaldabaoth.

[POS Industries]

You know what would have been great?

Not having the fact that A) Caliborn's home planet is Earth and B) that (most likely) the Condesce pulled Earth into the alpha session spoiled in such an anticlimactic fashion.

That could have been a couple really great "holy shit" moments that we'll never really have now.

[Solid Snake]

I'm actually opposed to this Intermission because I prefered viewing Lord English as an unstoppable force-of-nature villain.
If he becomes a fully realized character with feelings and issues and weaknesses his raw destructive power feels cheapened and he seems altogether less threatening an opponent.

I'm usually in favor of a 'less is more' approach with villains of this particular style.

EDIT: Yes, I'm aware there's still a fledgling chance Caliborn isn't Lord English.

[Art of Hilt]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I'm actually opposed to this Intermission because I prefered viewing Lord English as an unstoppable force-of-nature villain.
If he becomes a fully realized character with feelings and issues and weaknesses his raw destructive power feels cheapened and he seems altogether less threatening an opponent.

I'm usually in favor of a 'less is more' approach with villains of this particular style.

EDIT: Yes, I'm aware there's still a fledgling chance Caliborn isn't Lord English.

This is the kind of thing I would have to strongly disagree with.

Force of nature villains are hella dull, and in this case, ridiculously redundant. We already had Jack Noir with First Guardian powers filling that role. And honestly, when heroes beat a force-of-nature villain, it's not all that meaningful beyond "They leveled up enough".

Homestuck is, at least, trying to be a coming-of-age story where the main goal is to grow up as a person as you beat the universe making videogame. Caliborn is different, though. He's the guy who not only beat the videogame in a cheap, almost-but-never-outright unfair way, but he did it in complete opposition with everything the game tries to instil the players with. He kills everyone he's close to, he insists on doing everything on his own, he completely refuses to grow up, and in fact it's impossible for him to mature because of all the choices he made. And despite all this, he still manages to gain ultimate power and becomes a force that wrecks existence itself.

He is the complete antithesis of everything the game, the heroes, and the story is about. While the sympathetic characters are working so hard to grow up, Lord English is a big hulking manchild who gets everything he wants, who always wins through technicality without an iota of respect for the spirit of the game. He's practically the only real thematically appropriate villain there could be, as far as I can imagine.

[Locke cole]

I suppose that meshes with the idea that the Trolls didn't really come of age during their game. Rather, just muscling through everything by sheer levels alone. As such, they hastily created a flawed universe, a product of which destroyed their chances at the ultimate reward, and the fact that they didn't really work out their issues or grow as people much came back to haunt them in the form of 3 murderers and Bec Noir.

The issue with Caliborn seems to be that he's managing to win, despite making the same mistakes tenfold.