Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 1321

Arhra · 12-17-2014, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bard The 5th LW

Like, it was interesting when we had short term retcons that played with our expectations, like the glimpse into Davesprite's timeline or the fakeout where Jack annihilated the meteor in Terezi's vision, but its just pretty cheapening to see large sections of the plot and conflict nullified by literal retcons? The more and more it happens, the harder it is to convince me it was actually planned in any way, especially since the thing that gave John the retcon power came essentially out of nowhere. Like, there wasn't any real build-up or foreshadowing to it, it just happened.

Well, that's the problem really. All the good foreshadowing and time loops petered out long ago with the sequence that would normally complete the session/did lead to the arrival of Lord English.

Instead we've got all this faffing about with retcons which cannot be foreshadowed in any way and no-one's actually got a clearly articulated plan or role to play any more except for they somehow pull an alternative Calliope in to beat the snot out of Lord English.

Does John even know who Lord English is?

mauve · 12-17-2014, 03:57 PM

I honestly didn't remember that Jane knew Calliope.

POS Industries · 12-17-2014, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauve Mage

I honestly didn't remember that Jane knew Calliope.

I barely even remember who Jade is at this point.

She's the blonde dude with the time powers, right?

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 12-17-2014, 07:59 PM

You're thinking of Arada Horatio.

Flarecobra · 12-17-2014, 09:03 PM

Homestuck: Where the filler has filler.

Solid Snake · 01-05-2015, 05:53 PM

So the entire purpose of this dumbass retconning is just so Vriska of all the fucking atrocious and unworthy characters can live.

Fuck my life.

Loyal · 01-05-2015, 06:23 PM

Hello, long-dead John/Nepeta ship, let me just dust you off real quick.

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So the entire purpose of this dumbass retconning is just so Vriska of all the fucking atrocious and unworthy characters can live.

Bear in mind that if Terezi hadn't killed Vriska where she stood, Vriska would have certainly died fighting Jack anyway. This was explicitly shown, in fact.

I'm not saying she won't still find a way to not-die, but that's not what's happening here. It's also perhaps one of the least-subtle changes one could make to the timeline short of stopping SBURB itself from ever coming into John's hands. If Vriska is alive and meddling for three years on the battleship along with all the others, that's going to result in quite a lot of additional changes, and would fly far, far beyond Terezi's ability to predict.

POS Industries · 01-07-2015, 08:04 AM

Vriska still killed Tavros and Terezi would conceivably still make sure that she faces justice for that, but now Gamzee should be facing justice as well rather than having his crimes pinned on Vriska.

Also these past couple updates are the first time I've had a positive, entertained reaction to this comic in god only knows how long.

Bard The 5th LW · 01-07-2015, 11:08 AM

Im pretty sure Vriska still has to die because if she doesnt, then Jack will find the meteor and destroy it unless there's a retcon to fix that too.

Arcanum · 01-07-2015, 11:41 AM

Vriska only has to die if she can't be convinced to not fight Jack. If the changes somehow allow Terezi to convince Vriska to stay, then she doesn't need to die.

And if Vriska somehow lives it will still end up being a sort of meta "fuck you" to her, since it will mean she won't meet Meenah, and we've seen that Vriska ended up pretty happy in the afterlife with Meenah.

And who knows how these shenanigans will affect the afterlife. Will it really be that the two never meet, or simply an alternate couple that never meet up? Or will afterlife Vriska simply disappear as a result of the change, leaving Meenah alone and confused and motivated to do something?

That's all if Vriska actually somehow doesn't die, and while I'm not sure if she will or not, I'm pretty sure that's not the point to these shenanigans.

The main point is for Terezi to stay blind. She's sowing distrust with Gamzee so she won't fall into a downward spiral on the meteor while pursuing a relationship with him, which is a big part of why she let Aranea fix her eyes. There's a chance the "you don't need him" could even be referring to Gamzee, but I'm not so sure about that.

12-17-2014, 03:57 PM	#13202
mauve So Dreamy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Someplace magical Posts: 6,863	I honestly didn't remember that Jane knew Calliope. __________________ Yoo Hoo!

12-17-2014, 09:03 PM	#13205
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	Homestuck: Where the filler has filler. __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

01-05-2015, 05:53 PM	#13206
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	So the entire purpose of this dumbass retconning is just so *Vriska* of all the fucking atrocious and unworthy characters can live. Fuck my life. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

01-07-2015, 08:04 AM	#13208
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Vriska still killed Tavros and Terezi would conceivably still make sure that she faces justice for that, but now Gamzee should be facing justice as well rather than having his crimes pinned on Vriska. Also these past couple updates are the first time I've had a positive, entertained reaction to this comic in god only knows how long. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

01-07-2015, 11:41 AM	#13210
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	Vriska only has to die if she can't be convinced to not fight Jack. If the changes somehow allow Terezi to convince Vriska to stay, then she doesn't need to die. And if Vriska somehow lives it will still end up being a sort of meta "fuck you" to her, since it will mean she won't meet Meenah, and we've seen that Vriska ended up pretty happy in the afterlife with Meenah. And who knows how these shenanigans will affect the afterlife. Will it really be that the two never meet, or simply an alternate couple that never meet up? Or will afterlife Vriska simply disappear as a result of the change, leaving Meenah alone and confused and motivated to do something? That's all if Vriska actually somehow doesn't die, and while I'm not sure if she will or not, I'm pretty sure that's not the point to these shenanigans. The main point is for Terezi to stay blind. She's sowing distrust with Gamzee so she won't fall into a downward spiral on the meteor while pursuing a relationship with him, which is a big part of why she let Aranea fix her eyes. There's a chance the "you don't need him" could even be referring to Gamzee, but I'm not so sure about that. __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

01-07-2015, 11:08 AM	#13209
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Im pretty sure Vriska still has to die because if she doesnt, then Jack will find the meteor and destroy it unless there's a retcon to fix that too.