Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 270

BitVyper · 11-28-2010, 01:17 AM

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Vriska was doing what Vriska does.

Vriska has reasons for the things she does. Even if they're dumb (although she shows a lot of intelligence and even maturity once in a while).

As far as the Cairo Overcoat is concerned; we still only know absolutely for sure that Jack is The Demon. There's still a very small chance wordplay will fuck over Jack = Lord English there, but I'm not really expecting it. Really though, Jack can probably look like whatever the hell he wants at this point.

At any rate the Lord English from the MC intermission is, at the very least, at least somewhat further in the timeline than this. I'm still thinking the lack of a graphic in his name is an indicator that he's already been fucked over at least to the extent that he can no longer achieve whatever he wants by that point.

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Just making sure the timeline goes the way it's supposed to, I'd wager.

I think that's why it happened. I don't think that's actually Vriska's personal reason for doing it. The vague resemblance (the colour blue, the missing eyeball) between that doll and her kinda seems intentional to me. Might not be, but she seemed to be making more of a "FUCK YOU" face than when she was waking John up before or putting Dave to sleep, so I don't think that's just from the effort it took.

Ah, and maybe that's why she goes back and threatens John - she's pissed off because she realises it was her fault all along but blames it on him for having tried to prototype that doll. Obviously she gets over it in time to give him her fortune.

Pure speculation though.

POS Industries · 11-28-2010, 01:30 AM

Yeah, I can't really say for sure. I suspect she's mainly just been trying to do her part to make sure the timeline goes exactly the way its supposed to ever since she first contacted John, as it's the most expedient way to get things to the point where she can see what happens, since there's no way to win until then. But I could just be giving her too much credit. She does seem to have her own plan, though, what with her numerous, incalculable fire irons she has.

Also, I will not be surprised if we see a Broquerelsprite in the near future.

BitVyper · 11-28-2010, 01:39 AM

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Also, I will not be surprised if we see a Broquerelsprite in the near future.

Obviously Jack had to get the fuck out of dodge at that point because a Broquerelsprite was so awesome it threatened to vaporize him just by existing.

Part of the reason I think Vriska's reason was more emotional is because I can see Doc Scratch sending her a message confirming that she did exactly what he expected her to. Which would beg the question: Did Bec play into Scratch's plans, did Scratch play into Bec's plans, or can they even be considered to have plans, being mainly facilitators and all? I favour a combination of all three, 'cause I kinda feel like Scratch may be a double agent and not even realise it due to the gaps in his omniscience. It would make his drafting of Snowman into the cause make a lot more sense. Both have plans, but their plans are inevitabilities, and they know this but follow through on them anyway because they're Doctor Manhattan.

Bard The 5th LW · 11-28-2010, 01:42 AM

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At any rate the Lord English from the MC intermission is, at the very least, at least somewhat further in the timeline than this. I'm still thinking the lack of a graphic in his name is an indicator that he's already been fucked over at least to the extent that he can no longer achieve whatever he wants by that point.

I'm still thinking that the graphic means absolutely nothing and that he just uses it because its new and cool.

BitVyper · 11-28-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hussie

She describes a demon, but never says anything directly connecting him to Lord English. Only offhand references to make you think that's who she's talking about. Such as calling the rift a "scratch", which brought the demon into the session, where Scratch is the name of the guy who's job it is to pave the way for LE. Sure seemed like she was talking about LE, didn't it? That was intended.

So it seems they are probably separate. Maybe.

I'm not entirely convinced that he isn't still some distant future version of our Jack who has been out and about devouring universes for eons, buuuut...

hrm

I don't like to speculate that Lord English is something totally external to what's been going on, especially since Scratch seems to have plans that involve Jack. Scratch is a First Guardian, so he works specifically to ensure that what is supposed to happen happens. If he's an agent of anybody, it's probably the Bilious Slick.

Like I said awhile back, this sort of seems like it could be the Bilious Slick creating his own satanic figure. Maybe consuming universes isn't quite the right way of looking at what Lord English does. Maybe it's more like taking them back, Rapture style.

It could be that the Bilious = Lord English then, but something about that seems wrong. All of a sudden, a lot of things don't really add up anymore. Then again, others do...

Edit: Keep in mind, Bilious Slick was never presented to us as his actual name.

POS Industries · 11-28-2010, 01:56 AM

Well, I don't know about you, but I'm still sticking with "Jack kills Snowman, ends universe, summons Lord English."

Who the fuck English actually is, I dunno.

BitVyper · 11-28-2010, 02:02 AM

It does seem like a likely thing that could happen, but I don't think it would be a good thing for Lord English if it did. Of course, what we don't know about Snowman's "power" vastly outweighs what we do. He'd have to do it in Alternia's distant future, at any rate. Unless the Scratch fucks things up to the extent that the timeline doesn't even matter. Otherwise, right now, locking Slick in the safe is Snowman's Stavromula Beta.

Edit: At any rate, Hussie did say that Jack = Lord English is merely inconclusive, so it's still not off the table.

Geminex · 11-28-2010, 06:06 AM

Hey, pos! Congratulations!

I'm really happy for you, man. You were right. On the internet. About a webcomic.

This... this is a great day for you. You've achieved so much, I...
I...
Oh god, I'm tearing up.

Pos, I'm so proud of you. You did it. You really, really did it.
Never stop believing.

In other news, what gives, Vriska? Seriously, what the fuck?

Token · 11-28-2010, 07:52 AM

On the subject of Jack being LE, there are still a lot of hints if you look at the Intermission. LE's vault was hidden behind a door with a spade on it, which recognized Slick's barcode. We know the Jackspers still has his bar code, and as different instances of the same character, it stands to reason that their codes would be the same. This next bit is just a guess, but The Felt are glowy-green, have limited time-space powers, and are entirely unlike any other creature that has been seen in the game. My theory is that they're constructs made by something with First Guardian powers, sort of like sentient Green Lantern constructs. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack could make something like that; he was already an "Ace," has a quad-prototyped ring, and now the power of Bec.

Aldurin · 11-28-2010, 10:47 AM

HO . . . LY . . . SHIT . . .

Blindfoldpinatatargetpracticeforever!!

I was also suspicious about how one reckoning could totally disaster-rape Earth to look like what it did. Granted that the meteor was huge, that thing would have probably torn off a good chunk of the planet. But then the planet would be knocked off course due to mass-displacement. But an omni-blast shockwave that wipes out the entire landscape minus Jade's island works.

I must know how Bro and Davesprite and Cal died!!

NEW THEORY: Doc Scratch will now take a more active role in events, and if in fact Bec Noir is not Lord English then there will be and epic battle between the two (despite it being "none of his business" during his convo with Aradia) and then Mr. Vanilla Milkshake will be slain due to his growing uncertainty with his omniscience.

In the end Spades Slick Jack will slay his super-evil counterpart. He has the crowbar, and the pin doll and I think one of the alternate timeline Felt in storage.

EDIT: Skaia mutates with each prototyping, I wanna see what it looks like now.

11-28-2010, 01:30 AM	#2692
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Yeah, I can't really say for sure. I suspect she's mainly just been trying to do her part to make sure the timeline goes exactly the way its supposed to ever since she first contacted John, as it's the most expedient way to get things to the point where she can see what happens, since there's no way to win until then. But I could just be giving her too much credit. She does seem to have her own plan, though, what with her numerous, incalculable fire irons she has. Also, I will not be surprised if we see a Broquerelsprite in the near future. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

11-28-2010, 01:56 AM	#2696
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Well, I don't know about you, but I'm still sticking with "Jack kills Snowman, ends universe, summons Lord English." Who the fuck English actually is, I dunno. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

11-28-2010, 02:02 AM	#2697
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	It does seem like a likely thing that could happen, but I don't think it would be a good thing for Lord English if it did. Of course, what we don't know about Snowman's "power" vastly outweighs what we do. He'd have to do it in Alternia's distant future, at any rate. Unless the Scratch fucks things up to the extent that the timeline doesn't even matter. Otherwise, right now, locking Slick in the safe is Snowman's Stavromula Beta. Edit: At any rate, Hussie did say that Jack = Lord English is merely inconclusive, so it's still not off the table. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 11-28-2010 at 02:07 AM.

11-28-2010, 06:06 AM	#2698
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Clearly this was a monumental achievement Hey, pos! Congratulations! I'm really happy for you, man. You were right. On the internet. About a webcomic. This... this is a great day for you. You've achieved so much, I... I... Oh god, I'm tearing up. Pos, I'm so proud of you. You did it. You really, really did it. Never stop believing. In other news, what gives, Vriska? Seriously, what the fuck?

11-28-2010, 07:52 AM	#2699
Token Magikoopa Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,789	On the subject of Jack being LE, there are still a lot of hints if you look at the Intermission. LE's vault was hidden behind a door with a spade on it, which recognized Slick's barcode. We know the Jackspers still has his bar code, and as different instances of the same character, it stands to reason that their codes would be the same. This next bit is just a guess, but The Felt are glowy-green, have limited time-space powers, and are entirely unlike any other creature that has been seen in the game. My theory is that they're constructs made by something with First Guardian powers, sort of like sentient Green Lantern constructs. It wouldn't surprise me if Jack could make something like that; he was already an "Ace," has a quad-prototyped ring, and now the power of Bec.

11-28-2010, 10:47 AM	#2700
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	HO . . . LY . . . SHIT . . . Blindfoldpinatatargetpracticeforever!! I was also suspicious about how one reckoning could totally disaster-rape Earth to look like what it did. Granted that the meteor was huge, that thing would have probably torn off a good chunk of the planet. But then the planet would be knocked off course due to mass-displacement. But an omni-blast shockwave that wipes out the entire landscape minus Jade's island works. I must know how Bro and Davesprite and Cal died!! NEW THEORY: Doc Scratch will now take a more active role in events, and if in fact Bec Noir is not Lord English then there will be and epic battle between the two (despite it being "none of his business" during his convo with Aradia) and then Mr. Vanilla Milkshake will be slain due to his growing uncertainty with his omniscience. In the end Spades Slick Jack will slay his super-evil counterpart. He has the crowbar, and the pin doll and I think one of the alternate timeline Felt in storage. EDIT: Skaia mutates with each prototyping, I wanna see what it looks like now.