Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 353

Pip Boy · 12-19-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BardTheFifthLightWarrior

Karkat and Tavros both woke up on Prospit when Bec Noir destroyed it, not the battlefield. I don't think they did the god tier stuff.

Yes, but hadn't even John woken up, however briefly, on the battlefield before his actual quest bed awakening? He got the teddy bear package and ran off the currently only kind-of-omnipotent Jack Noir. Then he fell back to sleep again. Then he woke up again. My point being that an awakening at some time on Prospit/wherever doesn't necessarily mean there can be no reawakening on the quest bed.

EDIT: To clarify, I think an "awakening" on the quest bed refers less to awakening one's dream-self and more to the awakening of one's own inner potential, such as the Windy Thingy.

Bard The 5th LW · 12-19-2010, 07:50 PM

My point was that you have to be on the battlefield for your dreamself to get in the questbed. John got there unconventionally beforehand.

If you aren't on the battlefield, then you probably haven't gone god-tier.

Edit: We just got confirmation that Vriska was the only one to go god tier.

Also Terezi is going down a bad road.

BitVyper · 12-19-2010, 07:59 PM

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Karkat and Tavros both woke up on Prospit when Bec Noir destroyed it

Tavros woke up ages before that. He spent most of their session on it. He could have gone all over the place and back. However, I kinda doubt he made god tier anyway.

Anyway, Terezi's comments lend themselves a lot more to you-have-to-die-on-your-quest-bed reasoning.

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My point was that you have to be on the battlefield for your dreamself to get in the questbed.

I don't really count formspring comments as evidence of anything, but Hussie certainly suggests another interpretation.

Art of Hilt · 12-19-2010, 08:01 PM

oh god damn it terezi
or should I say GALLOWSCALIBRATOR
since i am getting the vibes i got from when that was her only name
god damn it gallowsCalibrator

Dracorion · 12-19-2010, 08:02 PM

So Vriska really is higher on the echeladder.

Goddammit fuck you Hussie.

Flarecobra · 12-19-2010, 08:05 PM

Strike him down, and he'll become more powerful then we can possably imagine.

BitVyper · 12-19-2010, 08:07 PM

At any rate, regardless of exactly what is and isn't necessary for God Tier, I think John's the only human who is going to do the whole rebirth and ascension thing. Maaaaaybe Rose in some way.

I'm still thinking there's other ways though.

Edit: I should point out that Terezi only says the only one troll managed to face their death on the quest bed. That does suggest that she's probably the only one who made god tier, buuuut it's not outright saying it.

Anyway, God Tier obviously means fully realising ones' role as the Blank of Blank, but this game is all about choices, and I don't think one is necessarily superior here. I think this explains more of Vriska's behaviour. Previous comments have suggested that neither self can really be expended without losing something. In this case, it seems like that something is mortality/humanity/trollanity, like burning it away to become immortal. The upshot is obviously power and other benefits. There's probably a price though.

At any rate, I'm changing my mind: I think it's death-or-bust for the God Tier.

The Argent Lord · 12-19-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BitVyper

Previous comments have suggested that neither self can really be expended without losing something. In this case, it seems like that something is mortality/humanity/trollanity, like burning it away to become immortal. The upshot is obviously power and other benefits. There's probably a price though.

If that's the case, I think there's a good argument to be made for John becoming Lord English. Even moreso if we take the paradox-route that's been suggested that has the kids creating the Trolls' universe with their session.

Doc ock rokc · 12-19-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Argent Lord

If that's the case, I think there's a good argument to be made for John becoming Lord English. Even moreso if we take the paradox-route that's been suggested that has the kids creating the Trolls' universe with their session.

maybe it's Alternate Dave that becomes Lord English. Think about it. All of the FELT have Temporal powers. Dave 2 is wearing a FELT suit. if he ascends then English is the one that will manipulate time and case a Scratch. combining the Troll and human sessions.

BitVyper · 12-19-2010, 09:38 PM

Lord English is obviously Rose's bankai. I thought everyone knew that.

12-19-2010, 07:50 PM	#3522
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	My point was that you have to be on the battlefield for your dreamself to get in the questbed. John got there unconventionally beforehand. If you aren't on the battlefield, then you probably haven't gone god-tier. Edit: We just got confirmation that Vriska was the only one to go god tier. Also Terezi is going down a bad road. Last edited by Bard The 5th LW; 12-19-2010 at 07:58 PM.

12-19-2010, 08:01 PM	#3524
Art of Hilt tamp tamp tamp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,270	oh god damn it terezi or should I say GALLOWSCALIBRATOR since i am getting the vibes i got from when that was her only name god damn it gallowsCalibrator __________________ Hey baby, I hear the blues a-callin'. Tossed salad and scrambled eggs Oh My! Mercy! And maybe I seem a bit confused, yeah maybe, but I got you pegged! But I don�t know what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggs. They're calling again.

12-19-2010, 08:02 PM	#3525
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	So Vriska really is higher on the echeladder. Goddammit fuck you Hussie. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

12-19-2010, 08:05 PM	#3526
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	Strike him down, and he'll become more powerful then we can possably imagine. __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

12-19-2010, 08:07 PM	#3527
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	At any rate, regardless of exactly what is and isn't necessary for God Tier, I think John's the only human who is going to do the whole rebirth and ascension thing. Maaaaaybe Rose in some way. I'm still thinking there's other ways though. Edit: I should point out that Terezi only says the only one troll managed to face their death on the quest bed. That does suggest that she's probably the only one who made god tier, buuuut it's not outright saying it. Anyway, God Tier obviously means fully realising ones' role as the Blank of Blank, but this game is all about choices, and I don't think one is necessarily superior here. I think this explains more of Vriska's behaviour. Previous comments have suggested that neither self can really be expended without losing something. In this case, it seems like that something is mortality/humanity/trollanity, like burning it away to become immortal. The upshot is obviously power and other benefits. There's probably a price though. At any rate, I'm changing my mind: I think it's death-or-bust for the God Tier. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 12-19-2010 at 08:19 PM.

12-19-2010, 09:38 PM	#3530
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Lord English is obviously Rose's bankai. I thought everyone knew that. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.