Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[CelesJessa]

It's kind of like going to the movies with my brother someone who spends the entire movie criticizing it. Even if their criticisms are totally 100% on the spot it still drives me a little crazy (perhaps a little bit of a pet peeve).

In any case, I do know that I came off rude and I am sorry about that. I don't really care what/how/who/when you criticize anything, and it's totally in your right, because I know I can be that annoying person at the theater sometimes. I was just asking- in terms that could have definitely been worded better, if we could chill on it for a little bit. If not, and I'm the only one who feels the way I do, then I'll just sit on the other side of the theater, and you all can feel free to continue.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Marc v1.0

It isn't something that bothers me so much as all this horsefuckery filler about the subject of hating or not hating or only morally objecting to Vriska, who does and who does.

Agreed. This conversation is doing more harm to the thread than the subject that inspired it.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by NonCon

RPG, you're being a bit ridiculous. More than a bit. More than more than a bit. Saying that by calling Vriska a Mary Sue it's insulting the people who like her is just... what. I happen to think calling Vriska a Mary Sue is probably inaccurate for a number of reasons, some of them merely expectations on my part, but someone stating their opinion of something's writing is not automatically insulting anyone who disagrees. It depends entirely on delivery, and the way you're reacting to what you're complaining about is silly.

That said, people are complaining far less about Vriska than the general writing around this section. It's mostly Snake complaining about Vriska specifically, and even that is within the context of these particular events. If you're unhappy with the level of complaining, fine. Feel free to complain about other people complaining. HOWEVER, internalizing it like you are is just going to lead to awful things.

I don't actually like Vriska all that much, but I think that she's an interesting character still, and have no problem with seeing her succeed or not succeed. I would like to see her end up becoming an okay person, which means more screen time for her.

I don't even care that much about the complaints, insofar as I can avoid the thread, or just skip over the post and it's fine. But, it has gotten pretty silly to see pages devoted to talking about how bookmarks are going to be deleted over Vriska, and since it was brought up, I'd throw in my two cents.

I mean, I always am more than a(You thought there was going to be a ton of "more than a"s here, didn't you?) bit ridiculous. I'll state my opinion obnoxiously, then change it next post if a counterargument's made that's reasonable. It just seems like the dislike Vriska horse has been beaten into a pulp, but discussion keeps coming back to it.

I didn't even see Snake's posts at all, until his response, due to time traveling shenanigans, and went back to see the actual discussion that went on that I missed, and I've got no problem with anything like that. My post was in response more to the three or so pages of, "Totally hate this, Vriska sucks, don't want her getting a flash" that had gone on before that.

I dunno if it was actually three pages, but it felt like a lot of time dwelling on it.

Edit: Much like the amount of time spent dwelling on this, as y'all said. :P

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

"Totally hate this, Vriska sucks, don't want her getting a flash" that had gone on before that.

Hang on, taking a moment to interject because this was mostly me and I suppose some reiteration is necessary:

Originally Posted by POS Industries

This has nothing to do with Vriska and everything to do with Hussie's excuse of "well, it would have taken too long and been too hard to make it as cool as it should have been so I didn't even try" being complete bullshit.

Also this post.

Even if it wasn't your intent, I'd prefer not to be lumped into the Vriska Hate Par8de™, whether offhandedly or not.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Can't say I understand that viewpoint either.

First, your own opinions about the awesomeness of a particular product shouldn't stifle criticism of it just because said criticism is unfortunate to hear. I love Metal Gear Solid but you'd all agree that I'd be an ass to immediately respond poorly to any criticism of its legitimate flaws on the basis that hearing those criticisms was 'disheartening.'

To be honest it's less that I feel like you shouldn't complain but more that I feel like I might be getting on your nerves by liking her.
When I saw the update I was all FUCK YEAH and I was gonna post this picture
with that exact message but then I thought I'd be shoving it right in your face after you'd expressed dislike of the situation, which felt uncomfortable.

[rpgdemon]

Seriously, time travel makes this sparing forum software instantly assume the most ingratiating posture of surrender imaginable. Where are all these posts coming from that I never saw?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

The difference is in the saturation. We get it. You guys dislike Vriska. I don't like her very much even. But, saying it over and over again is incredibly frustrating to read.

Admittingly, part of the reason why the repetition happens is the nature of MSPA's serial updates. If MSPA was a finished product like a Metal Gear videogame or a television episode, you'd probably only have to endure my criticism in one giant wall of text, and the experience wouldn't feel repetitive.

However, expecting me to wait until after Homestuck is over to criticize Vriska or Andrew's writing generally seems a bit harsh if you're simultaneously comfortable with the thought of everyone praising Homestuck or commenting positively on its newest developments on a daily basis. In other words, either there should be a blanket ban on everyone commenting on Homestuck until it's finished, or you'll have to deal with the daily criticism as well as the day praise.

I'm just saying in this context that the issue of the 'repetition of the complaint' really has nothing to do with a personal attempt by me to troll anyone or start a fight, and everything to do with the nature of how Homestuck itself operates. By your own logic I should be "just as annoyed" to have to endure daily reminders of everyone else's appreciation of Vriska's brilliance. But I'm willing to accept that others disagree with me and the fact that I appear to be in the minority in hatin' on Vriska doesn't bother me much.

EDIT: Karesh: I really wish you had posted that picture because, far from being upset by it, I actually would have felt in some sense vindicated by it.
Whether you love Vriska for being an uber-powerful Mary Sue or hate her for it, conceding that point alone feels like a substantiation of my perspective.

EDIT 2: POS, is it really a "Vriska Hate Par8de™" if it's just, like, one person? :P

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Seriously, time travel makes this sparing forum software instantly assume the most ingratiating posture of surrender imaginable. Where are all these posts coming from that I never saw?

Doomed timelines.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Whether you love Vriska for being an uber-powerful Mary Sue or hate her for it, conceding that point alone feels like a substantiation of my perspective.

See that's not really what I was going for either.
It would have been ten kinds of awkward if you had been like "hah yeah that is Vriska alright total Mary sue" and I would have had to say "Wait what no"

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

A bunch of stuff that made sense.

I guess I'm sort of not really paying attention to the praise, and mostly the dislike, in a sort of confirmation bias.