Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 778

Solid Snake · 08-02-2011, 02:02 PM

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It means exactly what it says. He fucked up its genetics, causing it to eventually develop a systemic malignancy that is going to kill it, because in this story a universe is a whole living organism that they created through fantastical genetic engineering.

But I thought every universe eventually went through the Homestuck-style destruction with Sburb or Sgrub or something, so creating a new universe at the end of a playthrough in one universe merely perpetuated the cycle

Flarecobra · 08-02-2011, 02:04 PM

No, only thing that really gets destroyed is the home planet. (Alternia in the Troll's case, Earth in the Kid's case.)

Solid Snake · 08-02-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Flarecobra

No, only thing that really gets destroyed is the home planet. (Alternia in the Troll's case, Earth in the Kid's case.)

If that was true, wouldn't troll civilization in their home universe still be doing relatively well? They expanded well beyond Alternia.

**Revising Ocelot** · 08-02-2011, 02:06 PM

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If that was true, wouldn't troll civilization in their home universe still be doing relatively well? They expanded well beyond Alternia.

Remember Feferi's lusus? The Vast Glub killed off all trollkind except, possibly, the Empress.

BitVyper · 08-02-2011, 02:08 PM

Every planet destined for sentient life eventually has a reckoning and is reseeded (presumably so that it gives rise to sentient life again. I think the Exiles' role has to do with this). The games don't affect the universe on the macroscopic level. Well, this one does, but shut up. The point is, aside from whatever offing at least one entire species might entail, the game doesn't seem to NECESSARILY affect anything beyond the seed planet.

Universes without cancer probably still die eventually, but there's dying peacefully in your old age after a long, full life, and then there's dying of cancer caused by a congenital birth defect due to your having been born in an area contaminated by Agent Orange.

Flarecobra · 08-02-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolving Ocelot

Remember Feferi's lusus? The Vast Glub killed off all trollkind except, possibly, the Empress.

I think even the Empress would fall, given the discription of the Vast Glub.

And Earth doesn't have such a thing so... Then again, there arn't any space colonies for Earth. (That we know of)

Found the page. It'd be ALL THE TROLLS. ALL of them.

POS Industries · 08-02-2011, 02:11 PM

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But I thought every universe eventually went through the Homestuck-style destruction with Sburb or Sgrub or something, so creating a new universe at the end of a playthrough in one universe merely perpetuated the cycle

No, only a single planet in that universe gets destroyed, and even then it continues on existing as home to the exiles. There was never anything stating that the universe being destroyed is a part of that cycle. There is all the talk of Lord English being brought into existence by the end of the trolls' universe, and that this is inevitable, but a lot of people have misconstrued this to mean that the eventual end of all universes is inevitable as a result of playing the game.

What it actually means is that it is unavoidable due to the consequences of everything that happened during the trolls' session: the manipulation by Doc Scratch, his tying their Black Queen's life force into that of their universe (meaning her death will kill it, as well), and their fucking up the primary goal of their session to the point that a completely unstoppable Jack Noir from the kids' session just tore out of a hole into their universe and is killing everything he can find.

There is nothing to suggest that a universe is supposed to die, only that, by things going horribly wrong, the ones this story takes place in are going to.

Solid Snake · 08-02-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolving Ocelot

Remember Feferi's lusus? The Vast Glub killed off all trollkind except, possibly, the Empress.

Ah, I forgot about that.

POS Industries · 08-02-2011, 02:16 PM

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There is nothing to suggest that a universe is supposed to die, only that, by things going horribly wrong, the ones this story takes place in are going to.

Actually, I take this part back to a degree. The kids' universe has cancer, but John removed the tumor and Rose has carried it outside the universe. Its cancer has been treated, though with the scratch and all its kind of hard to say for sure what constitutes that universe's continued life.

The trolls' universe is invariably going to die, though.

BitVyper · 08-02-2011, 02:17 PM

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No, only a single planet in that universe gets destroyed, and even then it continues on existing as home to the exiles.

I don't think the Exiles are meant to be the new dominant form of life on the planet. I think they function more as stewards (whether they realise it or not) while the reseeded (I forget where this term was used, but I know it's in the comic in relation to the reckoning somewhere) planet gives rise to new life so that the whole process can repeat ad infinitum. I don't think the Exiles can perform that role - they're a clone species that doesn't seem to change much even over the course of a hundred or more years.

Maaaaybe something in their genetic code makes descendants they have (if they even CAN breed) very different from themselves. That could be part of their "quest." I'm not sure why the command stations need to be destroyed in this version, but aside from interacting with the players, we haven't seen a lot of purpose to them yet. I think they possibly would have a bigger role under normal circumstances.

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Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	No, only thing that really gets destroyed is the home planet. (Alternia in the Troll's case, Earth in the Kid's case.) __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

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BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Every planet destined for sentient life eventually has a reckoning and is reseeded (presumably so that it gives rise to sentient life again. I think the Exiles' role has to do with this). The games don't affect the universe on the macroscopic level. Well, this one does, but shut up. The point is, aside from whatever offing at least one entire species might entail, the game doesn't seem to NECESSARILY affect anything beyond the seed planet. Universes without cancer probably still die eventually, but there's dying peacefully in your old age after a long, full life, and then there's dying of cancer caused by a congenital birth defect due to your having been born in an area contaminated by Agent Orange. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.