Homesuck: Vriska Rising - Page 807

POS Industries · 08-14-2011, 06:39 PM

I'm preferring not to think about the banner too much because the author charging into his own story and having an active role in the plot is my least favorite thing to happen in this comic. Or any comic!

I long for a simpler, happier time. A time when everyone else was mad at Vriska and I thought it was funny. Being mad at Homestuck myself is much less enjoyable.

rpgdemon · 08-14-2011, 08:39 PM

I honestly don't mind it. It feels natural, to me, and unforced. It's not like he's going, "HAY I'M A HERO!", he's just interacting with the fringe storytelling elements, like he always has.

Solid Snake · 08-14-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

I'm preferring not to think about the banner too much because the author charging into his own story and having an active role in the plot is my least favorite thing to happen in this comic. Or any comic!

I long for a simpler, happier time. A time when everyone else was mad at Vriska and I thought it was funny. Being mad at Homestuck myself is much less enjoyable.

Do...
...do POS and I...
...Actually agree on a criticism of Homestuck

IMPOSSIBLE

Kim · 08-14-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by POS Industries

I'm preferring not to think about the banner too much because the author charging into his own story and having an active role in the plot is my least favorite thing to happen in this comic. Or any comic!

Yeah, I'm just wholly unable to be entertained by it and kinda hurts everything it touches for me.

BitVyper · 08-14-2011, 09:42 PM

I love it, to be honest. I've consistently found every single aspect of Homestuck enjoyable.

Solid Snake · 08-14-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BitVyper

I love it, to be honest. I've consistently found every single aspect of Homestuck enjoyable.

I'm just really afraid of the possibility that a major plot point in Homestuck would not have happened if not for the author's personal intervention

...Which is kind of weird insofar as on a Meta level every twist and turn in a plotline is due to an author's passive intervention
But making the author an active character and having him enter the fictional universe and interact with fictional characters he's created just reeks of laziness, arrogance, sloppiness, or all three
(Not to mention apparently introducing the 4th Wall as an actual physical instrument existing in the universes for some reason.)

Mind you, I didn't mind the author as a character as much when he was just providing recaps

rpgdemon · 08-14-2011, 09:55 PM

Didn't some famous play use the fourth wall as a real thing/a character was able to see through it to the audience?

BitVyper · 08-14-2011, 10:05 PM

I'm basically completely okay with the possibility of Hussie's actions having a major effect, but I also have pretty much total faith that it will happen in such a way as to be totally unoffensive to me. Of course, Triangle and Robert is one of my all-time-favourite webcomics, and the author was a central figure in that. Then there's Jim Henson's Dog City, which is one of the best cartoons that ever was.

I really just don't have a problem with it provided it's not like, CAD or something, where the author-avatar is without narrative purpose. I like exploring the relationship between the creator and his work. It's a concept I think fits very well into the Homestuck story.

I suppose that doesn't mean you have to, but I don't really see a reason to be worried here. Then again, I pretty much always like how Hussie does things, so I really have no reason to be concerned. Before Homestuck and the Formspring, and everything else, I always felt that he tended to just write exactly what he wanted, and since then I feel my views have been validated. It rubs me the right way.

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Didn't some famous play use the fourth wall as a real thing/a character was able to see through it to the audience?

It's not a new concept by a long shot. Plays tend to do it more as a way to involve the audience, but I saw a production of Company that played with the concepts a bit. The idea that there's a fourth wall to break is not even something that is inextricably bound to storytelling.

That's not really what this is about for people criticising it though; it's more specifically about having an author-insert. I think, anyway. Wouldn't want to put words in anyone's mouth.

Arcanum · 08-14-2011, 10:25 PM

I don't get what the big deal is. If Hussie becomes involved in the story then it's just another character (one we've been aware of for some time) actually becoming involved instead of just being a passive observer/narrator. It's not like we're going to witness something happen, and then have the Hussie character wave his Author Wand and re-write it.

Character!Hussie is just a regular human from another Universe, who entered the Troll's universe through the fifth wall (so far). Yeah it's lazy to have a character in your story who is essentially you, but he's still just a character. Character!Hussie is breaking the fourth wall (the metaphysical one, not the one portrayed in the comic) in the same way that Scratch is; which is acknowledging the audience's existence and offering a narration that is unique from the "Standard Narration" of regular mundane panels.

The only differences between the two are 1) Scratch is omnipotent, and near-omniscient while Hussie is just a regular guy, and 2) Scratch has had an active involvement in the story for quite some time before becoming a narrator, while Hussie has been an author and narrator for quite some time before actually interacting with the story he's been creating/narrating.

And I think it's that second point that bothers people. It's easy to accept that this omnipotent/omniscient being is able to perceive what's beyond the fourth wall and interact with what's beyond it. Meanwhile having it revealed that the narrator and author (author possibly being the more "important" of the two) is an actual character that can get involved in the story pretty much goes against a lot of story telling rules.

That's just my take on it though.

Art of Hilt · 08-14-2011, 11:50 PM

Update.
Translation: Battleship Condescension
Also HMM THAT LOGO LOOKS ALMOST FAMILIAR
IT'S ALMOST AS IF SOMEONE CALLED IT
AND THAT SOMEONE IS ME

08-14-2011, 06:39 PM	#8061
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	I'm preferring not to think about the banner too much because the author charging into his own story and having an active role in the plot is my least favorite thing to happen in this comic. Or any comic! I long for a simpler, happier time. A time when everyone else was mad at Vriska and I thought it was funny. Being mad at Homestuck myself is much less enjoyable. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

08-14-2011, 08:39 PM	#8062
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	I honestly don't mind it. It feels natural, to me, and unforced. It's not like he's going, "HAY I'M A HERO!", he's just interacting with the fringe storytelling elements, like he always has. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

08-14-2011, 09:42 PM	#8065
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	I love it, to be honest. I've consistently found every single aspect of Homestuck enjoyable. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 08-14-2011 at 09:44 PM.

08-14-2011, 09:55 PM	#8067
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Didn't some famous play use the fourth wall as a real thing/a character was able to see through it to the audience? __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

08-14-2011, 11:50 PM	#8070
Art of Hilt tamp tamp tamp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,270	Update. Translation: Battleship Condescension Also HMM THAT LOGO LOOKS ALMOST FAMILIAR IT'S ALMOST AS IF SOMEONE CALLED IT AND THAT SOMEONE IS ME __________________ Hey baby, I hear the blues a-callin'. Tossed salad and scrambled eggs Oh My! Mercy! And maybe I seem a bit confused, yeah maybe, but I got you pegged! But I don�t know what to do with those tossed salads and scrambled eggs. They're calling again. Last edited by Art of Hilt; 08-14-2011 at 11:53 PM.

08-14-2011, 10:25 PM	#8069
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	I don't get what the big deal is. If Hussie becomes involved in the story then it's just another character (one we've been aware of for some time) actually becoming involved instead of just being a passive observer/narrator. It's not like we're going to witness something happen, and then have the Hussie character wave his Author Wand and re-write it. Character!Hussie is just a regular human from another Universe, who entered the Troll's universe through the fifth wall (so far). Yeah it's lazy to have a character in your story who is essentially you, but he's still just a character. Character!Hussie is breaking the fourth wall (the metaphysical one, not the one portrayed in the comic) in the same way that Scratch is; which is acknowledging the audience's existence and offering a narration that is unique from the "Standard Narration" of regular mundane panels. The only differences between the two are 1) Scratch is omnipotent, and near-omniscient while Hussie is just a regular guy, and 2) Scratch has had an active involvement in the story for quite some time before becoming a narrator, while Hussie has been an author and narrator for quite some time before actually interacting with the story he's been creating/narrating. And I think it's that second point that bothers people. It's easy to accept that this omnipotent/omniscient being is able to perceive what's beyond the fourth wall and interact with what's beyond it. Meanwhile having it revealed that the narrator and author (author possibly being the more "important" of the two) is an actual character that can get involved in the story pretty much goes against a lot of story telling rules. That's just my take on it though.