Homesuck: Vriska Rising

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

I'm still not seeing how Lord English being somebody's kid makes any sense in any way at all.

Yeah, this is some serious out of left field stuff

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Obviously Lord English is a conglomerate of things.

I thought it was more obvious that the things that we think of him as being conglomerated from are more accurately extensions of himself via weird time shit. LE doesn't resemble Lil' Cal because Doc Scratch was paradoxed cloned from him, it's that Lil' Cal resembles LE because Cal was a manifestation created by LE from his influence over Gamzee. It's not as if there are different forms of LE determined by the universe in which he emerges. He is what he is. And he is already here.

Also dude come on we already know that Jake and Jane's kids are John and Jade. The reason the Condesce was trying to keep them apart was because she probably wasn't all that well-briefed on ectobiology at the time.

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Well it seems like you're assuming the subliminal messages are directed solely at Jane. But the messages just seem like what the Condesce would do to a planet she made first contact with before sending word to her armies, essentially brainwash them into accepting extinction.

That certainly seems to be an aspect to them. It could also be that they're intended for Jake, and she just doesn't know where he is. Either way, there are aspects of them that clearly relate to goals we already know she had in the pre-scratch universe with regard to Jane. They may have a dual purpose.

My idea doesn't really hinge on this being true, however, and at the bare minimum it has been suggested that the Condesce is trying to kill Jane.

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

I thought it was more obvious that the things that we think of him as being conglomerated from are more accurately extensions of himself via weird time shit. LE doesn't resemble Lil' Cal because Doc Scratch was paradoxed cloned from him, it's that Lil' Cal resembles LE because Cal was a manifestation created by LE from his influence over Gamzee. It's not as if there are different forms of LE determined by the universe in which he emerges. He is what he is. And he is already here.

I never suggested that his form was determined by the universe he emerges in, I'm saying his form was determined by this universe.

Also dude come on we already know that Jake and Jane's kids are John and Jade. The reason the Condesce was trying to keep them apart was because she probably wasn't all that well-briefed on ectobiology at the time.

I addressed this. There's multiple possibilities here.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

I addressed this. There's multiple possibilities here.

Yes, but only one of them is probable.

And his form isn't determined by any universe. The things we're seeing in this timeline that allude to LE are a result of LE's influence over it.

[Arcanum]

Still not making sense. Re-read your post twice and it still seems like you're grasping at straws.

[Revising Ocelot]

The Condesce would very much like to kill Jane, her 'heir', because the last time she left a heir unchecked the Vast Glub occured.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Revolving Ocelot

The Condesce would very much like to kill Jane, her 'heir', because the last time she left a heir unchecked the Vast Glub occured.

Also, the Condesce apparently has something of a history of killing her heirs, as they're a threat to her reign. The only reason she wasn't able to make any attempts on Feferi was because Fef had taken an opportunity to gain an advantage.

Jane doesn't have that luxury.

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Still not making sense. Re-read your post twice and it still seems like you're grasping at straws.

Obviously. If you reread my first post on the matter, you'll note I was asking a question that occurred to me. When I thought about it a little more, there were a lot of little ways in which it worked, so I got lot more into it as you can see in my second post.

It's not so much grasping at straws as throwing something at the wall to see what sticks. You don't have to agree that this is a worthy avenue of discussion, but please don't tell me to reread my own posts as if I haven't been paying attention to what I've said.

Edit: Wait, maybe you mean you re-read my post twice. Yeah that makes more sense. Okay, sorry for taking offense.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Edit: Wait, maybe you mean you re-read my post twice. Yeah that makes more sense. Okay, sorry for taking offense.

Yeah that's what I meant, sorry for the confusion, heh