Suicide theme park?

[Lucas]

You have a way of stretching my words...

Its hard to stretch "I don't think so, Tim".

Death is one thing. Suicide is quite another.

You'd be surprised at how related they are. One involves someone ceasing life functions, and so does the other. Suicide is a method of dying: understanding the reasoning behind why people commit suicide, then must happen after people accept death itself. Its hard to talk about anything that relates to death if your entire culture is focused on ignoring it until you reach hospitals.

But suicides are different; it's got a much more self-loathing

This phrase is terribly incorrect. People who suffer from deep clinical depressions don't hate themselves, they're just in a constant mental state of either pain or total apathy.

from wiki

Clinical depression is the major treatable cause, with alcohol or drug abuse being the next major categories. Other psychiatric disorders associated with suicidal thinking include bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, Borderline personality disorder, Gender identity disorder and anorexia nervosa.

Anorexia is probably the only one based on self-mental image. Clinical depression, however isn't caused by self loathing.

From wiki:

No specific cause for depression has been identified, but there are a number of factors believed to be involved.

Heredity The tendency to develop depression may be inherited; there is some evidence that this disorder may run in families.

Physiology There may be changes or imbalances in chemicals which transmit information in the brain, called neurotransmitters. Many modern antidepressant drugs attempt to increase levels of certain neurotransmitters, like serotonin. While the causal relationship is unclear, it is known that antidepressant medications do relieve certain symptoms of depression. Seasonal affective disorder (SAD) is a type of depressive disorder that occurs in the winter when daylight hours are short. It is believed that the body's production of melatonin, which is produced at increased levels in the dark, plays a major part in the onset of SAD, and that many sufferers respond well to bright light therapy, also known as phototherapy. High levels of Omega-6 fatty acids in the brain have also been linked to depression.[1]

Psychological factors Low self-esteem and self-defeating or distorted thinking are connected with depression. While it is not clear which is the cause and which is the effect, it is known that sufferers who are able to make corrections to their thinking patterns can show improved mood and self-esteem. Psychological factors include the complex development of one's personality and how one has learned to cope with external environmental factors, such as stress.

Early experiences Events such as the death of a parent, abandonment or rejection, neglect, chronic illness, and severe physical, psychological, or sexual abuse can also increase the likelihood of depression later in life. Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) includes depression as one of its major symptoms.

Life experiences Job loss, financial difficulties, long periods of unemployment, the loss of a spouse or other family member, or other traumatic events may trigger depression. Long-term stress, at home, work or school, can also be involved.

Medical conditions Certain illnesses including hepatitis, mononucleosis, and hypothyroidism may contribute to depression, as may certain prescription drugs such as birth control pills and steroids.

Alcohol and other drugs Alcohol can have a negative effect on mood, and misuse or abuse of alcohol, benzodiazepine-based tranquillizers and sleeping medications, or narcotics can all play a major role in the length and severity of depression. The link between cannabis abuse (as opposed to use) and depression is also widely documented.

Postpartum depression About ten percent of new mothers experience some form of depression after childbirth. When it occurs, the onset is typically within three months after delivery, and it may last for several months. About two new mothers out of a thousand have depression so severe it includes hallucinations or delusions.

Living with a depressed person Those living with someone suffering from depression experience increased anxiety, and life disruption, which increases the possibility of their also becoming depressed.

Social Environment Evolutionary theory suggests that depression is a protective mechanism: if an individual is involved in a lengthy fight for dominance of a social group and is clearly losing, depression causes the individual to back down and accept the submissive role. In doing so, they are protected from unnecessary harm. In this way, depression maintains the social hierarchy.

Other Evolutionary Theories Another evolutionary theory is that the cognitive response that produces modern day depression evolved as a mechanism that allows people to assess whether they are in pursuit of an unreachable goal. Still others claim that depression can be linked to perfectionism. People that accept satisfactory outcomes in lieu of "the best" outcome tend to lead happier lives.

Simplisting thinking like "suicide is caused by people hating themselves" is the reason why suicide is looked down upon in western cultures. That simply is NOT the case. Depressive suicide is often caused by changes in brain chemistry due to a long deppressed state of emotions. It can also be caused by chemical imbalances following periods of grief. If you understand the radically different way a person sees the world when he's suicidal, it dispells a lot of the negative myths about suicide itself. To achieve that understanding, people have to be willing to accept death, otherwise they won't be able to let themselves understand what happened; they will instead remain hung up a notion of morality.

The japanese, for example, viewed suicide as the pinacle of a person's mental fortitude: he would take his own life to repent for a shameful deed. Such a person wasn't a moron or a retard for doing so; they were strong enough to admit to being wrong and repaid the debt. How would a theme park dedicated to suicide be offensive to them? It would be an expression of the immensity of human endurance, not a display of cowardice.

But people usually think badly of suicide

Exactly my point: if you don't understand something, you obviously are going to have an incomplete response to it. I don't see people who have committed suicide as deranged idiots, or cowardly losers, but I'm not the majority. There IS a stigma against suicide, which is why bringing it into the public forum is GOOD. I find it hilarious that you would bring this up after trying to knock down a point of mine.

People kill themselves. This statement is true and tragic. People often do not talk about why or how people kill themselves. This statement is also true and tragic.

I'd prefer to only have one of those two statements be true, and i know which one can be changed.