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Unread 07-01-2012, 09:55 PM   #1
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I've decided that Atlus needs boycotting, on account of the transphobia and sexism rampant in their games.

As such, I've started a Tumblr for just that.

Boycott Atlus

Sexist Code of Princess email

Sexist Code of Princess character design

Needlessly revealing Persona 4 Golden outfit

Transphobia in Persona 3


And the call to boycott Atlus itself.
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:00 PM   #2
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:18 PM   #3
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to the heterosexual male gaze.
That. Right there. You need to stop doing that. It's pandering to assholes, not heterosexual males.

The pandering is to assholes, and it should be stated as such. It's about advertising to assholes. Assholes are the ones on whom it will work, and as such, assholes are the people they're pandering to there. The fact that those assholes are male and heterosexual is just distracting from the issue that they're assholes. As it is right now, you're focusing the problem is heterosexual males, where the problem is assholes. It doesn't matter what race gender ethnicity sexuality or religion the assholes are, because the problem is assholishness, not any of those details.

Edit: Like, as a heterosexual male, those pictures are offputting. I'd imagine I'm not the minority here. I was going to pass the blog along to a friend of mine who would be interested, but you're focused on the wrong things right now.
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:10 PM   #4
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The second picture in this link strikes me as a little weird. The cloth thing she's wearing covers her waist on the left side in the cover picture, but in the second picture it's pulled down below her waist.

Also, in the first picture, if you look closely behind the title, you can barely see that her breastplate bra... thing, almost touches the necklace, yet in the second picture they are quite far apart. While the second picture is vertically stretched compared to the first one, it's not enough to make that difference.

And that's the extent of my pointless nitpicking. I entirely support your cause.
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:20 PM   #5
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I was going to say "hey now, Atlus ain't that bad" and then I saw the Code of Princess cover and.

uh.

okaaaaaaay...

I never did hear much about Catherine, so I can't comment on that... I'd say Persona 3's whole beach trip makes complete sense for Junpei's character, but the trans lady...I wouldn't say the behavior is purely transphobia, think there's also supposed to be some crappy attempt at squick having the older woman be very open with her advances - being Japan, with the whole social stigma with men expecting women to be submissive and the "can't get married by 25, won't get married ever" thing...

But that's how I interpreted it.

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That. Right there. You need to stop doing that. It's pandering to assholes, not heterosexual males.

The pandering is to assholes, and it should be stated as such. It's about advertising to assholes. Assholes are the ones on whom it will work, and as such, assholes are the people they're pandering to there. The fact that those assholes are male and heterosexual is just distracting from the issue that they're assholes. As it is right now, you're focusing the problem is heterosexual males, where the problem is assholes. It doesn't matter what race gender ethnicity sexuality or religion the assholes are, because the problem is assholishness, not any of those details.

Edit: Like, as a heterosexual male, those pictures are offputting. I'd imagine I'm not the minority here. I was going to pass the blog along to a friend of mine who would be interested, but you're focused on the wrong things right now.
Agreed. You've seen how there were numerous complaints about booth babes at E3, no? A lot of these were made by heterosexual males.

Edit: And yeah, there's something weird with that Code of Princess picture...
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Like, to clarify my point, right now you're pushing this issue of advertising at the "heterosexual male gaze". This gives the wrong idea that if they had a 50/50 split of covers showing males and females equally posed like that, everything would be great. The problem as I see it isn't who they're advertising to, but what they're advertising, and you're not really addressing that, and even distract from it with your phrasing.
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:43 PM   #7
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If "heterosexual males" automatically translates to "assholes" then I don't see how it's any more oppressive of them to go "transsexuals" = "sexual predators".

But I guess I'm being an asshole by pointing this out?

And, again:

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You've seen how there were numerous complaints about booth babes at E3, no? A lot of these were made by heterosexual males.
The whole male gaze thing isn't an universal concept that is agreed as a good thing forever. I may have blown your mind.
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:49 PM   #8
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If "heterosexual males" automatically translates to "assholes" then I don't see how it's any more oppressive of them to go "transsexuals" = "sexual predators".
1. Nobody is saying heterosexual males translates to assholes.

2. BECAUSE HETEROSEXUAL MALES AREN'T OPPRESSED.

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You're being an asshole by equating the situations of heterosexual men and trans folks, yes.

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What even the fuck is this bullshit.
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Nope, just let Liz believe what she wants. Whatever, getting the point across clearly isn't as important as being technically correct and telling me my opinions.

Like, I was even clear, "I'm not claiming some reverse oppression" crap. But, Liz can read whatever she wants into my posts, and I'm not going to even bother trying to defend it.
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The whole male gaze thing isn't an universal concept that is agreed as a good thing forever. I may have blown your mind.
It's (nearly) universally agreed to be a bad thing. That doesn't mean it's not a thing that exists, very dominantly, in the media. Nor does it mean that things like the princess's outfit are not pandering to it.

Further, adding the word 'heterosexual' to the front is just a nice way to recognize that not all men are heterosexual and it's not pandering to homosexual men.
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