Dan Shoe Hsu, Hero of the Planet, or: The 360 Gets What it Deserves

Lockeownzj00 · 01-21-2006, 02:14 PM

Note: Dual Topic of 360 and journalistic integrity in games journalism. They link together at the integrity part.

Start out with this very interesting Blog Post by Dan.

Then check out the interview with Peter Moore that Penny Arcade explains; "Dan actually went in there and asked the sorts of questions you see every day online, in the indecorous language of the hardcore forum...You simply haven't read anything like this," here.

Finally I'd suggest checking out the PA News Post(Tycho's specifically), and of course, the comic.

Here's another 1up article comparing the graphics and functionality of 360 games with the original Xbox. Articles like this further prove to me how this next-gen is artificial.

More analyses and roundtables.

Anyway, I love how uncomfortable the interview gets, and I love what Dan is saying about the 360. Finally, someone stops fellating Microsoft.

ps: not saying PA's word is law, even though I agree with them. I was just going through my daily sites and this is the first I heard of it.

The Wizard Who Did It · 01-21-2006, 02:55 PM

This makes me feel... content. Like to a certain extent, someone is actually taking the complaints that one hears online and puting them into an interview. Rather than the whole thing being like "You're system is awesome" "I know", it's "Ya know what, you screwed this up pretty badly" "Um, no I didn't... who told you that? Um..."

Oh, and the set up to the back wards compatible thing was genius. I'm in mock trial at the moment, and that was a great.

VeryGnawty · 01-21-2006, 03:01 PM

I've been saying it all along. The difference between each generation of consoles closes the gap. The difference between the 2600 and NES graphics were huge. The difference between the Playstation and the Playstation 2, not nearly as huge. The difference between current gen and next gen, not even worth the price.

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Oh, and the set up to the back wards compatible thing was genius.

Best part of the entire interview.

_mike · 01-21-2006, 04:37 PM

I'll repeat the sentiments on the backwards-compatibility issue. *repeats*

The aspect that I found most amusing about this whole thing was the talking heads on the 1up article comparing Xbox and Xbox360. Hilarious.

But I worry that it seems Hsu thinks that the gaming press needs to work to gain respect from other editorial outlets. Really, that's not going to happen until the current explosion in the gaming public is in charge, no matter how strong game magazine publishers' ethics are.

Mirai Gen · 01-21-2006, 05:12 PM

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Have I heard a single negative word since launch about backwards compatibility? No.

Well, gee, if I plug my ears and yell really loudly when girls begin to say, "No," I can just say, "All the girls I ask out don't turned me down!"

Jeeze, does Moore realize that we, as gamers, don't care HOW it's done, because it's Microsoft, and they have enough money to do goddamn near everything.

Chipper173 · 01-21-2006, 06:19 PM

Yeah. I just wanted to toss his excuse for backwards compatability out the window and say to him, "I don't care how or why. I know you can do it. Now make the copy of Battlefront II I bought a week ago work."

ZERO. · 01-22-2006, 04:13 AM

Anyone who has ever put the word Xbox 360 in a search engine has herd of all the spec fuck ups, how it's like .000004% better than the old Xbox, half the reason me and im sure other people are buying the premium version of the Xbox 360 is because Xbox live will stop being supported in 2007.

We might as well get the new one, as for me im going to wait awhile im going to see what the other systems bring to the table, what M.M.O.R.P.G will come out for what, because I would hate to get a 360 and then find out WoW is coming out for the ps3 only.

01-22-2006, 05:29 AM

In response to the blog post...

I'm honestly surprised he wasn't pointing out Game Informer, considering the company that owns that publication. I have a bit of experience with those folks to say the least, and I would be genuinely shocked if the entirety of their articles weren't purchased.

We don't carry EGM at my store that I can remember, so I have very little experience with that particular publication. I will say that from what I've read, the only mags that I would spend money on are Play and Hardcore Gamer Magazine... They seem to be about the only honest publications out there. Moreover, they actually cover a lot of stuff outside of the mainstream.

pineapple · 01-22-2006, 05:58 AM

Tycho is the only person I trust anymore.

yes, I know, everyone hates Penny Arcade, but there's no denying that that guy is smarter than most people [who play video games].

the printed media in this case has almost been entirely obsoleted by teh intarweb by way of websites which I was at first going to list but decided not to.

anyhoo in response to the whole fiasco, I hate the XBox. I am extremely biased. but still, it seemed to me that that guy (Moore) handled it as professionally as a liar who works for a company that makes a crappy console could have.

I mean, sure, the interviewer got a little uppity at a point and segued into the whole backwards compatibility issue pretty brilliantly, but that was a lukewarm burn at best. are gaming interviews normally even tamer than this? are gaming publications really too scared to confront company officials with actual issues regarding their products? I wouldn't know having never read one.

the problems I see here are these:
1) video games suck
2) XBox 360 sucks
3) video game related publications suck

I think we need to fix them in that order. I mean video game related publications are just not a big deal in the grand scheme of things because video games are really stupid. no one cares about them anymore, especially not the people who make them.

I'm sorry, it's so late, I'm not even sure if any of that made sense or was punctuated properly. take-a-ordah-preez

**Satan's Onion** · 01-22-2006, 06:50 AM

Two things:

(1) It's this sort of controversy that will probably make me wait until I see the Nintendo Revolution on shelves before purchasing anything. That and, well, me and Microsoft...it's sorta complicated. You could call it a love-hate relationship...with a lot of hate.

(2) *Do* people hate Penny Arcade? Seriously. I've been going through the archives for about a week and I haven't found anything to omniloathe about Gabe and Tycho at this point. Can someone politely remove the veil from my eyes on this issue, in another thread somewhere or a PM or something? (Seein' as how it's off this topic and all.)

01-21-2006, 02:55 PM	#2
The Wizard Who Did It The End of Evolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Some call it hell; I call it home. Posts: 1,822	This makes me feel... content. Like to a certain extent, someone is actually taking the complaints that one hears online and puting them into an interview. Rather than the whole thing being like "You're system is awesome" "I know", it's "Ya know what, you screwed this up pretty badly" "Um, no I didn't... who told you that? Um..." Oh, and the set up to the back wards compatible thing was genius. I'm in mock trial at the moment, and that was a great. __________________ And this world's smartest man means no more to me than does its smartest termite. ~Dr. Manhattan

01-22-2006, 04:13 AM	#7
ZERO. Geek/Nerd extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In my computer. Posts: 691	Anyone who has ever put the word Xbox 360 in a search engine has herd of all the spec fuck ups, how it's like .000004% better than the old Xbox, half the reason me and im sure other people are buying the premium version of the Xbox 360 is because Xbox live will stop being supported in 2007. We might as well get the new one, as for me im going to wait awhile im going to see what the other systems bring to the table, what M.M.O.R.P.G will come out for what, because I would hate to get a 360 and then find out WoW is coming out for the ps3 only. __________________ p\|_\|7 \|_\|R h4\|\\|d 0\|\\| 4 H07 570\/3 Ph0R 4 \|\/\|I\|\\|\|_\|73, 4\|\\|D i7 533\|\/\|Z lIk3 4\|\\| h0\|_\|R. 5I7 \/\/I7h 4 pr377y GiRl Ph0r 4\|\\| h0\|_\|r, 4\|\\|D I7 533\|\/\|Z Lik3 4 \|\/\|i\|\\|\|_\|73. 7h47'Z r3l47i\/i7y. Albert Einstein leetified.

01-22-2006, 06:50 AM	#10
Satan's Onion Swing You Sinners! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 4th Street Posts: 2,666	Two things: (1) It's this sort of controversy that will probably make me wait until I see the Nintendo Revolution on shelves before purchasing anything. That and, well, me and Microsoft...it's sorta complicated. You could call it a love-hate relationship...with a lot of hate. (2) Do people hate Penny Arcade? Seriously. I've been going through the archives for about a week and I haven't found anything to omniloathe about Gabe and Tycho at this point. Can someone politely remove the veil from my eyes on this issue, in another thread somewhere or a PM or something? (Seein' as how it's off this topic and all.) __________________ Good evening, ladies. Please enter and be tained .

01-21-2006, 06:19 PM	#6
Chipper173 Grandma threw away my animes Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hang a left at the deli. Posts: 858	Yeah. I just wanted to toss his excuse for backwards compatability out the window and say to him, "I don't care how or why. I know you can do it. Now make the copy of Battlefront II I bought a week ago work."

01-22-2006, 05:29 AM	#8
In Hindsight Guest Posts: n/a	In response to the blog post... I'm honestly surprised he wasn't pointing out Game Informer, considering the company that owns that publication. I have a bit of experience with those folks to say the least, and I would be genuinely shocked if the entirety of their articles weren't purchased. We don't carry EGM at my store that I can remember, so I have very little experience with that particular publication. I will say that from what I've read, the only mags that I would spend money on are Play and Hardcore Gamer Magazine... They seem to be about the only honest publications out there. Moreover, they actually cover a lot of stuff outside of the mainstream.

01-22-2006, 05:58 AM	#9
pineapple Goomba Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24	Tycho is the only person I trust anymore. yes, I know, everyone hates Penny Arcade, but there's no denying that that guy is smarter than most people [who play video games]. the printed media in this case has almost been entirely obsoleted by teh intarweb by way of websites which I was at first going to list but decided not to. anyhoo in response to the whole fiasco, I hate the XBox. I am extremely biased. but still, it seemed to me that that guy (Moore) handled it as professionally as a liar who works for a company that makes a crappy console could have. I mean, sure, the interviewer got a little uppity at a point and segued into the whole backwards compatibility issue pretty brilliantly, but that was a lukewarm burn at best. are gaming interviews normally even tamer than this? are gaming publications really too scared to confront company officials with actual issues regarding their products? I wouldn't know having never read one. the problems I see here are these: 1) video games suck 2) XBox 360 sucks 3) video game related publications suck I think we need to fix them in that order. I mean video game related publications are just not a big deal in the grand scheme of things because video games are really stupid. no one cares about them anymore, especially not the people who make them. I'm sorry, it's so late, I'm not even sure if any of that made sense or was punctuated properly. take-a-ordah-preez