Lesbians Voted Cutest Yearbook Couple, Category Eliminated

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A couple that met during drama class and has been going out for nearly a year was voted "cutest couple" during an annual senior yearbook poll last week at Waukegan High School.

But for the first time in the yearbook's history, the couple is two girls, causing controversy for school administrators.

After initially eliminating the category from the announced results of the poll, administrators now plan to include the gay couple's photo in the yearbook, which comes out in May, along with the pictures of about five heterosexual couples that received the most runner-up votes on a "cute couple" page.

The hesitation to include the girls' photo was not because of their sexual orientation but in deference to one parent's objections, said Jason Blair, an English teacher and yearbook adviser.

"One girl's mom wouldn't have wanted all the attention drawn to it," Blair said. "We were trying to prevent anyone getting embarrassed."

Following a yearbook tradition at the school, during a week in October students wrote their nominations in 25 categories on a write-in ballot. The categories included "best dancer," "best body" and "biggest flirt." While parental consent has not been an issue for categories, the yearbook staff has omitted some winners in the past if they thought students voted for them as a joke. For example, shy nerds have been vote leaders in previous "most popular" balloting.

Seniors Brandy Johnson and Lupe Silva, both 17 years old and Waukegan residents, say they won "cutest couple" because they are popular at school.

"We've been dating a year. We're pretty well known in the school," Johnson said. "Throughout our whole relationship we were open in school."

They say they know a handful of other gay students in Waukegan, but the school doesn't have a gay club, such as the Gay-Straight Alliance clubs at both Adlai Stevenson High School and Libertyville High School.

"Our relationship inspired others to be open," Johnson said.

While her parents are supportive, she said, Silva's parents have not been as accepting of her relationship since she came out to them in February.

"My mom is okay with it, but only to a certain extent," Silva said.

But her parents' opinion on the matter should have no bearing on whether she is included in the yearbook, she said.

"My parents have nothing to do with it," Silva said.

Neither set of parents responded to attempts to obtain comment.

Students in the high school have been talking about the "cutest couple" controversy since last week.

Senior John Hood, who voted for Johnson and Silva, said, "They're just an everyday couple."

FOX NEWS Interview

Originally Posted by Fox News

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: Illinois student at Waukegan High School voted seniors Brandy Johnson and Lupe Silva the cutest couple. So the self-proclaimed lesbians get their picture in the yearbook under the cute banner. At first, school officials tried to ban the category, but finally relented despite a parental objection.

Joining us now from Chicago with reaction, Dr. Laura Berman, who teaches psychiatry at Northwestern University.

Now, I'm saying this with all due respect to these two 17-year old girls. I don't want to sound mean, condescending, or all that. I want to give you the thing.

I believe, based upon our investigation of this Waukegan High School deal, and the picture, and put up the picture again of these students, that the kids voted the — this couple the cutest couple to tweak the adults, doctor, to cause trouble, to make an issue of the yearbook.

Now this happens. As a former high school teacher, I can tell you, every school, every semester. That's what's in play here, in my opinion. What do you say?

LAURA BERMAN, PH.D., SEX EDUCATOR & THERAPIST: You know, yes, kids like to tweak the adults and like to be provocative. And all of that is true. I don't think that this is necessarily completely about them trying to tweak the adults and trying to be provocative. I think this is about — and we've seen this in other high schools, as well, it's starting to become at least a small trend, if not a large one, that homosexuality is becoming, thankfully, more normalized, because this is the time in adolescence that kids are exploring their sexuality and in fact starting to identify what their sexual orientation is.

O'REILLY: Now you realize that you said, thankfully, that, I don't know, 50, 60 percent of the country is going to be angry with you for saying that. And here's why. Don't laugh. You got respect their point of view.

BERMAN: I know, I do.

O'REILLY: Look, as a medical doctor and psychiatrist...

BERMAN: I'm laughing and I'm going to be in trouble.

O'REILLY: ...you have to respect their point of view because it is a valid point of view. And let me tell you what the point of view is.

BERMAN: What is the point of view?

O'REILLY: All right.

BERMAN: I'll tell you if it's valid.

O'REILLY: High school kids experiment. They experiment all over the place.

BERMAN: Sure.

O'REILLY: High school kids - a lot of them are rebellious. They have a chip on their shoulder. They'll do things, as I said, I think this is one of the examples, just to get a reaction, just to rebel.

A lot of parents - listen...

BERMAN: Sure.

O'REILLY: ...we don't want to normalize homosexuality in a public way in an academic setting, high school, among minors. We don't think that reflects...

BERMAN: Why?

O'REILLY: ...how we feel about it. Well, for a number of reasons. One, social. It's much more difficult to be homosexual than a heterosexual in America. Two, religious. There are people who believe that that kind of a life style...

BERMAN: Sure.

O'REILLY: ...is against their religion. And they passed it on to their children.

BERMAN: Sure.

O'REILLY: Three, an exposition of sexuality in a minor - and that's very important - in a minor situation is inappropriate in an academic setting. All of those things are valid, doctor...

BERMAN: Sure.

O'REILLY: ...and they shouldn't be condescended to.

BERMAN: But we're not talking — your — all of those things may be valid in certain populations, but we're not — where you're getting stuck is assuming that validating or acknowledging homosexuality as a reality is somehow going to make homosexuality more likely to happen.

And what we do know is that homosexual teens are four times more likely to be seriously bullied, two times more likely than heterosexual kids to be significantly involved in drugs and alcohol and abuse drugs and alcohol, and six times more likely than heterosexual teens to have suicidal attempts.

And so, it's a huge at risk population. Yes, there is experimentation. Absolutely, but it's also very true that many teens are becoming very clear that they are seriously attracted to the same sex, not the opposite sex. And they have nowhere to turn.

O'REILLY: Well, I think.

BERMAN: They have no support systems.

O'REILLY: Look, I've been very consistent on this since my first book was written. I think private behavior belongs in private settings.

BERMAN: Right.

O'REILLY: I don't think it belongs in the high school yearbook.

BERMAN: But you'd be OK with the cutest couple, heterosexual couple, though.

O'REILLY: I would be, because that is the norm of society. See, it's the same gay marriage thing. You have a six percent option here. Homosexuals, according to research, are 6 percent of the population.

BERMAN: But since.

O'REILLY: And...What?

BERMAN: But since African-Americans are a minority, would you have a problem with an African- American heterosexual couple?

O'REILLY: No, because African - because race is no conduct. There is a difference between who you are and what you do. And that is another.

BERMAN: So you're judging homosexuality as.

O'REILLY: Not judging - I'm not judging anybody and anything. I'm telling you that there's a legitimate point of view that, number one, you don't allow sexuality to intrude in your high school yearbook, because they are minors.

BERMAN: Right. This isn't about sexuality.

O'REILLY: Sure it is.

BERMAN: Just a couple.

O'REILLY: This is a lesbian couple that was voted in there...

BERMAN: But they're not.

O'REILLY: ...because they're a lesbian couple.

BERMAN: But they're not flaunting their sexuality.

O'REILLY: How do you know?

BERMAN: They're just in love.

O'REILLY: Wait a minute.

BERMAN: In the picture.

O'REILLY: How do you know they're not? You don't know that.

BERMAN: They're not flaunting their sexuality any more or any less than a heterosexual couple might.

O'REILLY: Look, doctor, there's no reason why Brandy and Lupe had to declare themselves anything other than friends. They didn't have to do that. They chose to do that.

BERMAN: If they're in love, but they're due — they have the same right to do that as any heterosexual.

O'REILLY: It's not about - it's a matter of appropriateness. That's what it's a matter of. And see, look.

BERMAN: But you're passing — (INAUDIBLE) is you're passing judgment.

O'REILLY: You're dismissing all - look, I'm not - look, I don't want any kid to be bullied. I wrote "Kids are Americans, Too" for gay kids who are getting bullied. They should read the boo, know their rights. I don't want anything like that to happen.

BERMAN: Right.

O'REILLY: But you're dismissing a very legitimate point. This is inappropriate. You do not define yourself in a high school yearbook.

BERMAN: Only if you judge sexuality.

O'REILLY: .in a sexual way. Period. You don't do it.

BERMAN: These kids — these kids need support. And they need to know that it's OK to be who they are.

O'REILLY: Well, let them go to a support group run by you. It doesn't need to be.

BERMAN: Here I am.

O'REILLY: You know, you don't have to take out posters and put them on your front lawn.

BERMAN: Because they're supporting all the other kids that are stuck in hiding and now will feel safer.

O'REILLY: That is your extrapolation. Somebody else would say you're encouraging that kind of experimentation...

BERMAN: You can't encourage it.

O'REILLY: ...when you don't have to do it.

BERMAN: It happens anyway.

O'REILLY: All right, doctor, that's the old argument. Let's legalize drugs because it happens anyway. There's got to be boundaries.

BERMAN: Drugs are not the same. Homosexuality is not illegal.

O'REILLY: But it — you know what I'm talking about.

BERMAN: And it shouldn't be illegal.

O'REILLY: All right, always great to talk to you, by the way. A very good debate.

BERMAN: You, too.

O'REILLY: Thank you.

What's your opinion?

[Mesden]

I'd just like to tell O'Reilly that the word "Heterosexual" has the word "Sexual" in it, too.

[POS Industries]

Wait wait wait wait....

the yearbook staff has omitted some winners in the past if they thought students voted for them as a joke. For example, shy nerds have been vote leaders in previous "most popular" balloting.

Sorry to go off topic here, but I find this to be bullshit. Who's to say that the shy nerdy kid isn't a totally nice person that everyone really liked? And if it is intended to be some cruel joke, exactly how does it negatively impact the intended victim?

"Ha ha, you're the most popular! You're the most popular! Suck on that, poindexter!"

"Um.... Thank you for making it look like my school experience wasn't godawful when I show this yearbook to my kids years from now? Yeah that, uh, that really stings. Good one."

So basically, regardless of intention, the yearbook staff decides to take away someone's title because they refused to believe the sentiment behind it was genuine? Great, because that's really gonna make that kid feel better about himself.

As to the matter at hand, I've never seen an argument eat itself so much as I just witnessed from Bill O'Reilly. That was actually quite spectacular.

[Napoleon98]

I personally only watch Fox when I'm feeling down and need a good laugh. Nothing like Bill O'Reilly to make me laugh 'til my sides split...

Originally Posted by POS Industries

As to the matter at hand, I've never seen an argument eat itself so much as I just witnessed from Bill O'Reilly. That was actually quite spectacular.

Too true... I can only imagine the depth of Bill's talent. I personally don't know anyone who has that kind of gift. Just proves everyone's good at something. Bill's is being a F*** up

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Wait wait wait wait....



Sorry to go off topic here, but I find this to be bullshit. Who's to say that the shy nerdy kid isn't a totally nice person that everyone really liked? And if it is intended to be some cruel joke, exactly how does it negatively impact the intended victim?

"Ha ha, you're the most popular! You're the most popular! Suck on that, poindexter!"

"Um.... Thank you for making it look like my school experience wasn't godawful when I show this yearbook to my kids years from now? Yeah that, uh, that really stings. Good one."

So basically, regardless of intention, the yearbook staff decides to take away someone's title because they refused to believe the sentiment behind it was genuine? Great, because that's really gonna make that kid feel better about himself.

As to the matter at hand, I've never seen an argument eat itself so much as I just witnessed from Bill O'Reilly. That was actually quite spectacular.

Seconded. A guy like that needs some of his own humor turned back on him.

[Khael!]

If they're going about asking all these questions in the poll, why would they then turn around and not use the results obtained? I mean, they weren't that bad looking.
Our teen years are chock-full of frivolity anyway, any statements we make about ourselves are bound to change as we continually re-define who we are. Why the hell take this kind of stuff seriously?

I'm reminded about how I never got voted best anything, and for all five years attended never got a single picture in the yearbook other than school photo day's. I missed the big grad photo because I didn't have money, and the club photo I was in got cropped, leaving me out.

Now I know why. Student Council Sabotage!

[Archbio]

BERMAN: But since African-Americans are a minority, would you have a problem with an African- American heterosexual couple?

O'REILLY: No, because African - because race is no conduct.

What about an interracial heterosexual couple? That's a conduct. Asshole.

[Preturbed]

Well, I must say, I don't know how they got voted cutest anything.

Bill O'reilly is a douchebag, and I don't know why Fox News is even being used for anything save a laugh anymore.

[Art of Hilt]

O'REILLY: All right, always great to talk to you, by the way. A very good debate.

A good debate?
Pfft.
A good debate has both sides actually having points that aren't being torn apart. O'Reilly's argument was a mess; every single point he made was cleanly counterattacked, and his only back-ups were even weaker points. This is the equivalent of a kung-fu user beating someone by slapping away their futile punches without actually punching back.
I mean... I mean, wow.
It's just, it's just... I mean, wow. His argument just sizzled away, and Berman didn't actually have to do anything. I mean, in a way, it's quite amazing. I'm actually amazed that this happened on public television. It's the sort of stuff you see on the internet, but this? Huh.

[Fifthfiend]

I was tempted to say 'so what's the big deal' re: the category elimination but honestly getting cut out of an announcement like that can be really hurtful. Hearing everyone else get recognized for this or that, and then you don't get to be because someone arbitrarily says "no, fuck you"? What a punch in the heart.

And if it is intended to be some cruel joke, exactly how does it negatively impact the intended victim?

"Ha ha, you're the most popular! You're the most popular! Suck on that, poindexter!"

"Um.... Thank you for making it look like my school experience wasn't godawful when I show this yearbook to my kids years from now? Yeah that, uh, that really stings. Good one."

It's probably more likely to be

Popular kid: "No really we all think you're totally cool!"

Nerd: "What, really?"

Popular kid: "Ha ha no. Hey look everybody the stupid nerd believed me, what a nerd!"

Other popular kids: "Ha ha ha ha!"

Nerd: *is humiliated*

It's like page one of the High School Sadist's Handbook. I mean what am I, the only person who saw Carrie?

Sure, a well-adjusted person could shrug it off easily enough, but it's not going to be a well-adjusted person getting singled out for that kind of abuse.