Things That Make Me Ask Too Many Questions About Things

Frostatine · 12-20-2009, 04:13 PM

So in the last two months I have seen the movies Zeitgeist, parts I and II; Why We Fight, the documentary/McCain candidacy pump; read the book V by Thomas Pynchon, a novel of epic mindfuckery and literary genius. This is all compounded by my growing involvement with world politics, community leadership programs, and the military. Which by the way I'm into some sick stuff with the military, and no, I can't really talk about it. Just hope to god none of you live in Columbia.

There is so much material out there that is attempting to combat the mass submission that has been so entrenched in our culture. People are okay with war, famine, manipulation, and secrecy. We see these things as being necessary evils in dangerous times. We see our rights as being fuel to stoke the fires of our nation's respective ideologies, hoping that their temporary sacrifice will be enough to burn away the dark clouds of our enemies and threats. But arguments exist that say all of this is a sham, that we have been made fools of. Arguments exist, quite compelling at times, that beg for our time, our belief. And what I have found is that the more I listen to this side of things, the more I sympathize with them. At the risk of becomming a paranoid conspiracy monger, I continue to track the facts, to expand my knowledge.

But is this right? To demonize our governments and decry our activities as mistakes? To see the work of years and condemn them as the enemy rather than the embodiment of progress? Where do we draw the line, and where does the most truth lie?

I come to with honest curiosity, wishing to learn more of this strange culture I have stumbled upon. And to debate. Because I live for debate.

Premmy · 12-20-2009, 10:09 PM

..... Troll?
Seriously, nothing is perfect. Anything done by human hands is going to be flawed.
It's just common sense to question what you're told.

Bard The 5th LW · 12-20-2009, 10:15 PM

It can more or less be attributed towards human nature.
This isn't a new practice or culture, in fact, it could be considered a step up from how things were in the past.

Professor Smarmiarty · 12-21-2009, 04:39 AM

I totally don't even understand what you're trying to say with that first post. Can we clarify?

Amake · 12-21-2009, 06:31 AM

"The most dangerous man, to any government, is a man who's able to think things through for himself, without regard for prevailing superstitions and taboos. Without exception, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is immoral, incompetent and corrupt, and if he's a romantic personally he will try to change it. And even if he's not he is quick to spread discontent among those who are."
-H. L. Mencken, 1919 AD

Ah, the old question of safety versus freedom. There's no right answer, I'm afraid. It's just a question of how much you're willing to compromise one way or the other to keep the world liveable.

By the way it's funny to see the Zeitgeist movies do anything for someone. I kinda figured that infodump didn't say anything new to anyone who already was invested enough in figuring things out to bother watching it. Don't take it as gospel though, that's the way to get paranoid delusions. The message is just to question what you're told.

12-20-2009, 04:13 PM	#1
Frostatine Flying Manta Rays With Teeth Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Georgetown KY Posts: 796	Things That Make Me Ask Too Many Questions About Things So in the last two months I have seen the movies Zeitgeist, parts I and II; Why We Fight, the documentary/McCain candidacy pump; read the book V by Thomas Pynchon, a novel of epic mindfuckery and literary genius. This is all compounded by my growing involvement with world politics, community leadership programs, and the military. Which by the way I'm into some sick stuff with the military, and no, I can't really talk about it. Just hope to god none of you live in Columbia. There is so much material out there that is attempting to combat the mass submission that has been so entrenched in our culture. People are okay with war, famine, manipulation, and secrecy. We see these things as being necessary evils in dangerous times. We see our rights as being fuel to stoke the fires of our nation's respective ideologies, hoping that their temporary sacrifice will be enough to burn away the dark clouds of our enemies and threats. But arguments exist that say all of this is a sham, that we have been made fools of. Arguments exist, quite compelling at times, that beg for our time, our belief. And what I have found is that the more I listen to this side of things, the more I sympathize with them. At the risk of becomming a paranoid conspiracy monger, I continue to track the facts, to expand my knowledge. But is this right? To demonize our governments and decry our activities as mistakes? To see the work of years and condemn them as the enemy rather than the embodiment of progress? Where do we draw the line, and where does the most truth lie? I come to with honest curiosity, wishing to learn more of this strange culture I have stumbled upon. And to debate. Because I live for debate. __________________ NPF, where the mods are kind and professional

12-20-2009, 10:09 PM	#2
Premmy Stop the hate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a nice web on fifty first street Posts: 4,466	..... Troll? Seriously, nothing is perfect. Anything done by human hands is going to be flawed. It's just common sense to question what you're told. __________________ Drank

12-21-2009, 06:31 AM	#5
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	"The most dangerous man, to any government, is a man who's able to think things through for himself, without regard for prevailing superstitions and taboos. Without exception, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is immoral, incompetent and corrupt, and if he's a romantic personally he will try to change it. And even if he's not he is quick to spread discontent among those who are." -H. L. Mencken, 1919 AD Ah, the old question of safety versus freedom. There's no right answer, I'm afraid. It's just a question of how much you're willing to compromise one way or the other to keep the world liveable. By the way it's funny to see the Zeitgeist movies do anything for someone. I kinda figured that infodump didn't say anything new to anyone who already was invested enough in figuring things out to bother watching it. Don't take it as gospel though, that's the way to get paranoid delusions. The message is just to question what you're told. __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed

12-20-2009, 10:15 PM	#3
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	It can more or less be attributed towards human nature. This isn't a new practice or culture, in fact, it could be considered a step up from how things were in the past.

12-21-2009, 04:39 AM	#4
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I totally don't even understand what you're trying to say with that first post. Can we clarify?