Pokemon Umbral Discussion 28: A Wild Cerulean Wildfire Appears!

[Astral Harmony]

so i herd that u might not liek mudkipz...



Like 'em now? 'Cause dayuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumn.

Anyways, I wouldn't really say that Pokegeddon was cheating. The difference between the two sides was more like a difference in potential. Think of it like Disgaea. If you have a bunch of level 300's taking on a level 4000, hits just aren't going to connect (this includes magic and special moves), and those that do are on par with love taps. It's not a difference of whether rules were ignored, it's a difference of the fact that they're simply too powerful for rules when their opponents are...well, you guys.

And if you think that's strong, just wait until you see what real badasses like Dinner and Gaea and Idolus can do to your mortal flesh.

Gimme the night off tonight. I'm trying to think about how the battle will work. What I do have figured out is that Cerulean Wildfire will begin in the forefront, and then HPG troopers will mass up and then Ceru will take a back seat and beat you up from safety. She's definitely a Destroyer unit. You should also expect snipers to join in. But it won't be an over-the-top zerg. More like an Engineer and a Sniper appear this turn, then a Medic and another Engineer jump in the next turn, then maybe three soldiers bounce on in on the next turn, and if the numbers get too large, Ceru backs off behind relative safety.

I'm also thinking of throwing in a Pokeweapon. Pokeweapons are rare, genetically-altered Pokemon that aren't like Pokemon Alphas or Pokesapiens at all. Think of like this: what if Beedrill had four more evolutions ahead of it? That's a Pokeweapon. They are big. They are badass. Fortunately, they still fall to type advantages, so they are essentially doable at your levels...I hope.

[Menarker]

You seem to be a real Mudkip/Swampert fan. ^^
*Swampert starts pushing Renny toward that girl*

Anyhow, that's quite a load of news to take in. The pokeweapons in particular, but Ceru as well...

Anyhow, I doubt we'll be finished planning tonight, so you should be able to rest up tonight.

Anyhow, off to bed.

EDIT: Happy Birthday Dante. Hope you find it enjoyable/rewarding.

[Astral Harmony]

As a note, Faynoc has the technology and intelligence to make more powerful Pokeweapons, but lacks the resources. The Prideguard is legally allowed to possess a limited force of Pokeweapons, but power-hungry Burkmont wants Faynoc for the R&D he's done on 'em so he can create an unstoppable army of them. Now it makes sense why Burkmont wants Faynoc in his interrogation chamber.

No love among villains, I swear.

And Happy Birthday, Dante! Don't get too plastered if you're still sick. I've never been drunk personally (I'm just not a drinker), but I can only imagine how much it could suck to be both sick and hungover.

[DanteFalcon]

It is unlikely I will be going out to drink. I have a fairly difficult online class starting this week so I don't really have a lot of time to burn. But should my older bro come home at some point in the future and he gets me drunk I will make him record it, post it on youtube, and link you all to it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Sounds cool. Happy Birthday.

[Dracorion]

... Nah, screw it. I'm not wishing Dante a happy birthday. Because I'm a jerk like that.

Anyway, we need to decide who we're reviving. I suggest that Renny spend 40 Rage to spread a Full Restore on Matt, Impact, Mollesk and Harliette. Rachel uses Max Revives on Tyranitar and Swampert.

Our formation should be something like:

[Evolith/Device Space 1] [Matthias] [Sol-Leks] [Pike] [Bastiodon] [Nidoqueen] [Harliette] [Blissey] [Mollesk] [Swampert] [Aria] [Tyranitar] [Crawdaunt] [Fathom] [Impact] [Evolith/Device Space 2]

We don't have to have Aria out this turn so we can open up with Sunny Day when the baddies arrive. And yeah, didn't revive Hammond in favor of Sol-Leks for fire, and Pike for electric against Cerulean. Not sure about Swampert either.

[Menarker]

Okay, posting what Impact posted. (Although I editted out Shaymin, because AB said that everyone was fully healed before the Gardenoir joined combat.)
Critical damage:
Matt
Harliette
Impact
Mollesk (Re)
Spitz (C)

Knocked out:
Hammond (C)
Blaziken (P)
Tyranitar (P)
Lanturn (M)
Empoleon (Ra)
Vespiqueen (H)
Wormadam (H)
Swampert (Re)


I got no big objection with Drac's plan, although I second the motion of not having Aria out the first turn. Drac, isn't Tyranitar going to have problems with Aria's rain dance, due to it being a rock type? Same for Mollesk even though it technically comes from a species that lives on beaches and even underwater sometimes. Seems odd to put Aria in the same formation as your own rock pokemon.

Also, Renny is likely to send out Umbreon this turn to use Psych Up instead of Swampert. (Good for 2 stages to all stats since Impact should have +4 to all stats by now.) Plus, we might want to save Swampert for whatever mimic action we may need later on.


AB: Shall I assume that Mollesk high enough level that it would max its defense and special defense (999) this turn due to a 4 stage boost? Since Mollesk is tripling his defense and special defense and its base stat at level 50 for those two stats is 230 (according to Serebi's stats of Shuckle which Mollesk's defense is a copy of and that's assuming a neutral nature.) It only needs 333 in those stats to max it out, and a Shuckle with neutral nature can reach 559 at level 100.

Also, what is Wilhelmina's status? She needed a turn off to deal with the bleeding from Lopunnish. Is she all better now or is the bleeding ok but she is still damaged?

[Dracorion]

Tyranitar's a tough cookie.

Some of us aren't as anal about defense, you know.

And I don't care how you try to avoid it, Mollesk's going to take a morale hit from Drizzle and that's final.

[Menarker]

Not as tough as Mollesk defensively though. :3

Good thing about Tyranitar being on the field though? Sandstorm boosts Special Defence of Rock pokemon by 50%. Mollesk is a rock type with the highest caliber in special defense and that's before the tripling of Special Defense with Cosmic Power. ^^

Even more so, that boost does not comply with stage based buffs and can stack. So Mollesk would have more than 999 Special Defense.

From Bulbapedia:

In-battle stat modifiers multiply specific stats by a certain amount, meaning that a higher starting stat will have a bigger change. For each stat, there are six stages of increase, and six stages of decrease. The stages are cumulative: adding a stage of increase, and then a stage of decrease, results in no net change to the stat. The six stages of increase are x1.5, x2.0, x2.5, x3.0, x3.5, and x4.0. The six stages of decrease are 2/3, 1/2, 2/5, 1/3, 2/7, and 1/4. Accuracy and Evasion modifications are calculated in a different manner.

Some modifiers, such as Huge Power and Pure Power, do not work with the above stages, and thus can stack on top of them. For example, a Pokémon with Pure Power and six stages of increase in Attack would have eight times its normal attack.

In Generation IV, during a Sandstorm, all Rock-type Pokémon gain 50% Special Defense, which does not work with stages.

So basically, take Mollesk's special defense (higher than 230 due to higher levels) multiply it by 3, then take 50% of that and stack that on top. ^^

[Dracorion]

Yep. Now you owe me big time for helping you like that.