New theory to revolutionize quantum physics.

Aldurin · 06-16-2010, 07:54 PM

Time is an illusion. Our brains only rationalize the passage of time as the alternative was incomprehensible back when spears with stone tips were at the top of technology. There was no beginning and no real end, there was never a time when god/allah/big-bang came before.

Clocks and other objects don't disprove this theory, as we designed them to "work" to our rationalized view of "time". There is no way to detect this true functioning of the universe yet as our machines are designed to work on our terms of "time" and even if they weren't then we still could not comprehend it on our terms of "time".

The closest anyone is to getting toward this theory is with the concepts of god/allah having "a billion years in one day" or "one day is actually a year, and one year is actually a day". This is likely a result of the best possible description on our terms of "time" of what appears to be the true functioning of the universe.

To disprove the concept of time, take a look at black holes, or any gravity well. If time is simply the progression of events and is always a constant, then it should not be slowed and constrained by even the most intense gravity fields in the universe. Yet, we have managed to find extremely small differences in the speed of time at different altitudes above the earth. So our concept of time is in fact not a mechanism the universe runs on, but a byproduct of humans having to recognize something else as "time" and adjust their perception so that it was as good as true.

EDIT: Fuck it, time is real enough as far as my life is concerned and evidence for the previous theory is as strong as moldy noodles.

Geminex · 06-16-2010, 08:01 PM

You have got to be kidding me.

Buddy, before you go revolutionizing a field, take some time to study it. And while you're at it, take a look at relativity as well. I reckon you're in for a bit of a surprise.

Edit:
Philosophically, your discussion would be... valid. But scientifically? Not so much.

Rejected Again · 06-16-2010, 08:19 PM

I'm going to enjoy watching SMB rip this to shreds.

Grimpond · 06-16-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rejected Again

I'm going to enjoy watching SMB rip this to shreds.

Oh my lord. It will be a sight to behold.

Aldurin · 06-16-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rejected Again

I'm going to enjoy watching SMB rip this to shreds.

Bring it.

Geminex · 06-16-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilEarl

Bring it.

Y'know, I didn't think they were going to bother (I certainly wasn't). Your idea, it isn't just wrong, it completely and utterly misses the point.

But if you challenge them? Perhaps they'll make the effort.

Aldurin · 06-16-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Your idea, it isn't just wrong, it completely and utterly misses the point.

Why? Because it appears that way to us? Same way it used to appear that everything revolved around the earth, or that the earth itself was flat? I'm going to lead a new front in physics, all of those open-minded enough to consider the possibility may follow.

Azisien · 06-16-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilEarl

Why? Because it appears that way to us? Same way it used to appear that everything revolved around the earth, or that the earth itself was flat? I'm going to lead a new front in physics, all of those open-minded enough to consider the possibility may follow.

I'm in! What time should we meet up?

Errr...

Geminex · 06-16-2010, 08:54 PM

Sigh.
There are many things you can do with a "doubt-everything" mentality. Maybe time is an illusion. Maybe we're just dreams of some higher being, living in a constantly-shifting dream world. Maybe there's some sort of method to this world we live in, but our concept of "logic" of cause-and-effect is completely unsuited to the task, and all we're doing is convincing ourselves that we're capable of seeing order in the chaos.

But see, such a mentality, while sometimes very empowering, really has no other purpose. We can sit in the corner doubting everything we know about the world. Or we can define a couple of axioms, make those our base, and then use that base to understand this world we live in.

What you're doing is questioning one of the axioms. Relativity states that time isn't a constant, Einstein came up with that one about a century ago. But to say that time doesn't exist at all? That's not only useless as a theory, it's also lazy, because you're substituting blind doubt for reason or deep thought.

Maybe you're a revolutionary thinker. Maybe I'm just close-minded, clinging to the old axioms because I cannot comprehend the extend of your genius. But I really, really, really doubt it. So yeah, see my first comment. Take a look at quantum physics and relativity. Try to understand those. Then you can talk.

Flarecobra · 06-16-2010, 08:32 PM

I'd like to see SithDarth's reaction personally.

06-16-2010, 07:54 PM	#1
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	"Time is an Illusion" thread. Time is an illusion. Our brains only rationalize the passage of time as the alternative was incomprehensible back when spears with stone tips were at the top of technology. There was no beginning and no real end, there was never a time when god/allah/big-bang came before. Clocks and other objects don't disprove this theory, as we designed them to "work" to our rationalized view of "time". There is no way to detect this true functioning of the universe yet as our machines are designed to work on our terms of "time" and even if they weren't then we still could not comprehend it on our terms of "time". The closest anyone is to getting toward this theory is with the concepts of god/allah having "a billion years in one day" or "one day is actually a year, and one year is actually a day". This is likely a result of the best possible description on our terms of "time" of what appears to be the true functioning of the universe. To disprove the concept of time, take a look at black holes, or any gravity well. If time is simply the progression of events and is always a constant, then it should not be slowed and constrained by even the most intense gravity fields in the universe. Yet, we have managed to find extremely small differences in the speed of time at different altitudes above the earth. So our concept of time is in fact not a mechanism the universe runs on, but a byproduct of humans having to recognize something else as "time" and adjust their perception so that it was as good as true. EDIT: Fuck it, time is real enough as far as my life is concerned and evidence for the previous theory is as strong as moldy noodles. Last edited by Aldurin; 06-18-2010 at 10:53 AM.

06-16-2010, 08:32 PM	#10
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	I'd like to see SithDarth's reaction personally. __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

06-16-2010, 08:01 PM	#2
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	You have got to be kidding me. Buddy, before you go revolutionizing a field, take some time to study it. And while you're at it, take a look at relativity as well. I reckon you're in for a bit of a surprise. Edit: Philosophically, your discussion would be... valid. But scientifically? Not so much.

06-16-2010, 08:54 PM	#9
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Sigh. There are many things you can do with a "doubt-everything" mentality. Maybe time is an illusion. Maybe we're just dreams of some higher being, living in a constantly-shifting dream world. Maybe there's some sort of method to this world we live in, but our concept of "logic" of cause-and-effect is completely unsuited to the task, and all we're doing is convincing ourselves that we're capable of seeing order in the chaos. But see, such a mentality, while sometimes very empowering, really has no other purpose. We can sit in the corner doubting everything we know about the world. Or we can define a couple of axioms, make those our base, and then use that base to understand this world we live in. What you're doing is questioning one of the axioms. Relativity states that time isn't a constant, Einstein came up with that one about a century ago. But to say that time doesn't exist at all? That's not only useless as a theory, it's also lazy, because you're substituting blind doubt for reason or deep thought. Maybe you're a revolutionary thinker. Maybe I'm just close-minded, clinging to the old axioms because I cannot comprehend the extend of your genius. But I really, really, really doubt it. So yeah, see my first comment. Take a look at quantum physics and relativity. Try to understand those. Then you can talk.