TV show ethics violators

Flarecobra · 01-03-2011, 02:36 PM

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Ok, I admit I haven't seen too many of these shows, so I'm wanting to hear from you all and your takes on these. However, the one show I DO watch that is on that list, NCIS, I think I CAN comment on.

My thing, I question the validity of this, and I wonder if they watch more then one episode. Ducky and Gibbs, if you ask me, are the two biggest respecters of women in the series. Mcgee too, especally as of late. Early on he seemed more fearful and unsure about them, and Tony... well... he's gotten better.

Any thoughts on the other shows?

TDK · 01-03-2011, 02:43 PM

Wow, its almost like characters being inappropriate causes humor somehow!

But seriously, I see no problem with this. Its not as though they're doing it to offend people, although the 'characters' (such as House) might be doing it to offend people in-character.

Political Correctness is stupid. People are too easily offended.

Loyal · 01-03-2011, 02:43 PM

I'm thinking this is supposed to be satire.

Primarily because I refuse to believe someone could seriously believe that pointless political correctness on TV entertainment could be held synonymous with any definition of the word "ethics."

Aerozord · 01-03-2011, 03:23 PM

skimmed the article, and, they are seriously wondering why in a TV drama there are morally questionable practices? Thats like saying action series is violent. Of course they aren't ethical, thats the bread and butter of the genre

Archbio · 01-03-2011, 03:27 PM

The piece does seem to have been made in a silly spirit... if it hadn't, it might have been a discussion of the actual "sexual harassment humour" which exists on some shows. I mean, instances where the sexual harassment is the joke, as opposed to instances where the characters just incidentally do things that'd violate real life regulations in the process of being fictional characters. In which case House would be way up there.

Edit: I mean, as much as House is supposed to be a character that "seeks to offend everybody equally," it seemed to me as though the writers pretty much made this a special project.

Flarecobra · 01-03-2011, 03:35 PM

Well, looking at the group that did the study... I don't think it's satire at all.

Archbio · 01-03-2011, 03:42 PM

The tone of the actual research isn't exactly grim, though.

I don't think it's served well by the piece that cites it.

Flarecobra · 01-03-2011, 03:49 PM

Yeah, I think things are a bit overblown, huh?

Fifthfiend · 01-03-2011, 04:36 PM

CNN blogger Mark Marino definitely did successfully type up a large number of words in succession, formed into sentences, featuring both correct spelling and grammar.

EDIT: Keep an eye out for my exciting new study:

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EDIT: I mean I do think they have a point, or at least that slide 9 out of the 13 slides of their powerpoint has a point, I just think that point was really poorly served by the presentation.

EDIT: I think they could actually also make a strong argument for the point they seem to be, but ultimately I think aren't making, which is that TV needs to tone down its ethical violations, if they were to focus on the more serious, nominally realistic shows like NCIS / CSI / House / Grey's Anatomy / White Collar and not on ridiculous live-action cartons like 30 Rock / The Office. The Cop/Lawyer/Doctor Drama genre I feel generally could stand to put more of an effort into having their characters adhere to the ethical norms of their milieu, and/or facing whatever existing professional consequences for violating those norms.

Professor Smarmiarty · 01-03-2011, 05:04 PM

It's similar to how like racist jokes can lead to genuine racism through dehumanising the vicim and making it ok. this goes way too far but it is an important point that if htese values were internalised as ok then it could be a problem.

01-03-2011, 02:36 PM	#1
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	TV show ethics violators Link Ok, I admit I haven't seen too many of these shows, so I'm wanting to hear from you all and your takes on these. However, the one show I DO watch that is on that list, NCIS, I think I CAN comment on. My thing, I question the validity of this, and I wonder if they watch more then one episode. Ducky and Gibbs, if you ask me, are the two biggest respecters of women in the series. Mcgee too, especally as of late. Early on he seemed more fearful and unsure about them, and Tony... well... he's gotten better. Any thoughts on the other shows? __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

01-03-2011, 03:23 PM	#4
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	skimmed the article, and, they are seriously wondering why in a TV drama there are morally questionable practices? Thats like saying action series is violent. Of course they aren't ethical, thats the bread and butter of the genre __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

01-03-2011, 03:27 PM	#5
Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	The piece does seem to have been made in a silly spirit... if it hadn't, it might have been a discussion of the actual "sexual harassment humour" which exists on some shows. I mean, instances where the sexual harassment is the joke, as opposed to instances where the characters just incidentally do things that'd violate real life regulations in the process of being fictional characters. In which case House would be way up there. Edit: I mean, as much as House is supposed to be a character that "seeks to offend everybody equally," it seemed to me as though the writers pretty much made this a special project. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform. Last edited by Archbio; 01-03-2011 at 03:31 PM.

01-03-2011, 03:35 PM	#6
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	Well, looking at the group that did the study... I don't think it's satire at all. __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

01-03-2011, 03:42 PM	#7
Archbio Data is Turned On Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,980	The tone of the actual research isn't exactly grim, though. I don't think it's served well by the piece that cites it. __________________ 6201 Reasons to Support Electoral Reform.

01-03-2011, 02:43 PM	#2
TDK Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Reality Posts: 2,914	Wow, its almost like characters being inappropriate causes humor somehow! But seriously, I see no problem with this. Its not as though they're doing it to offend people, although the 'characters' (such as House) might be doing it to offend people in-character. Political Correctness is stupid. People are too easily offended.

01-03-2011, 03:49 PM	#8
Flarecobra Burn. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Classified Posts: 11,017	Yeah, I think things are a bit overblown, huh? __________________ "Only the fool wishes to go into battle to beat someone for the satisfaction of beating someone." -A Thousand Sons Rules. Read them, know them, love them.

01-03-2011, 04:36 PM	#9
Fifthfiend for all seasons Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,409	CNN blogger Mark Marino definitely did successfully type up a large number of words in succession, formed into sentences, featuring both correct spelling and grammar. EDIT: Keep an eye out for my exciting new study: Does Bugs Bunny need a primer on physics? Violations of natural law in children's animation Brought to you by the Global Network for Scientific Compliance, and the good people at CNN. EDIT: I mean I do think they have a point, or at least that slide 9 out of the 13 slides of their powerpoint has a point, I just think that point was really poorly served by the presentation. EDIT: I think they could actually also make a strong argument for the point they seem to be, but ultimately I think aren't making, which is that TV needs to tone down its ethical violations, if they were to focus on the more serious, nominally realistic shows like NCIS / CSI / House / Grey's Anatomy / White Collar and not on ridiculous live-action cartons like 30 Rock / The Office. The Cop/Lawyer/Doctor Drama genre I feel generally could stand to put more of an effort into having their characters adhere to the ethical norms of their milieu, and/or facing whatever existing professional consequences for violating those norms. __________________ check out my buttspresso Last edited by Fifthfiend; 01-03-2011 at 04:56 PM.

01-03-2011, 05:04 PM	#10
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	It's similar to how like racist jokes can lead to genuine racism through dehumanising the vicim and making it ok. this goes way too far but it is an important point that if htese values were internalised as ok then it could be a problem.