[1986] Megatron literally has the gun in his hands before Hot Rod does anything

[Fifthfiend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcHOM_465Vw

If you watch that and seriously think Optimus was totally gonna shoot the shit out of Megatron except for dumb ol' Hot Rod got in his way you are delusional, ALSO, crazy, ALSO, a cannibal, who eats people, as a result of being delusional and crazy.

I mean I know we all hate Hot Rod and must never, ever forgive him for replacing Optimus for like five minutes, and also turning into an RV camper with flames painted on the sides because what the fuck was that about, I mean come on, but all he is guilty of re: Optimus's death is failing to save Optimus for his own stupidity.

Thanks for your time, I hope all of you who needed the facts explained on this pressing topic of momentous import can take this message to heart, and stop other eating human beings.

[Fifthfiend]

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5...imusisdumb.jpg

Why aren't you firing right now Optimus? Why aren't you doing anything about this enemy with a gun right there in his hands, the way Hot Rod is attempting to do?

Oh wait that's right: because you are a stupid, stupid robot, Optimus Prime. Because you are literally too stupid to live.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

WHAT IS THIS SHIT?
Optimus had his gun pointed right at Megatron. NO way would megatron have got a shot off first. Optimus was just about to fire when he got distracted by Hotrod running in.

Don't be an apologist.

Watch that video again. Optimus is hit by 2 purple blasts then by 2 orange/yellow blasts. Megatron shoots purple blasts. Who shoots orange/yellow blasts? HOTROD.

[Fifthfiend]

Your delusions have blinded you to the shameful poverty of your own apologetics for your sacred robot cow; your best "defense" is that Optimus is so inept as a soldier that he gets distracted from an enemy right in front of him who has literally already just picked up a gun, by someone who is telling him that his opponent has just picked up a gun. You have basically yourself conceded that Optimus is a shameful failure as a warrior and as a leader of warriors, all so that you can tell yourself that he is a somewhat less pathetic failure than he actually obviously is, and also so that you can convince yourself that it is okay to continue to eat people, which it's not, it is gross and wrong.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Your delusions have blinded you to the shameful poverty of your own apologetics for your sacred robot cow; your best "defense" is that Optimus is so inept as a soldier that he gets distracted from an enemy right in front of him who has literally already just picked up a gun, by someone who is telling him that his opponent has just picked up a gun. You have basically yourself conceded that Optimus is a shameful failure as a warrior and as a leader of warriors, all so that you can tell yourself that he is a somewhat less pathetic failure than he actually obviously is, and also so that you can convince yourself that it is okay to continue to eat people, which it's not, it is gross and wrong.

Well I'm sorry that we don't live in a fantasy land where the good guys never lose and the bad guys never win. In the heat of battle mistakes are made.
Need i remind you that this sequence comes after Optimus has SINGLEHANDEDLY decimated the entire Decepticon army. He was tired, he was weary- mistakes happen.
So we can let Hotrod off then? Because it was just a mistake.
No for it is the job of leaders to make decisions that minimise risk and possibility of mistakes. Optimus did this by taking on Megatron himself. He could have brought the dinobots or Omega Supreme but he knew that they would be endangered by Megatron in a way that would hinder his ability to deploy his full fighting potential. By contravening Prime's orders Hotrod collapsed the leadership structure and massively upscaled potential risk, which culminated in the circumstances that came about. The actions of a lone radiacal, an unforeseen variable completely subverted a battleplan that had been executed flawlessly up until this point.
Indeed his entire battleplan was predicated against avoiding such interfering factors as Prime knew that he could defeat Megatron in a single fight whereas other soldiers would be damaged by the sheer gross energy being exchanged between the two titanic combatants. Prime's concern for his soldier, entering a battlefield full of gross exchange of firepower that would damage the fragile frame of Hotrod, a lover not a fighter, collaterally or on purpose, shows a humanity that is lost in today's military. Prime knew that even if he hit Megatron straight on the backlash would rip asunder the much weaker Hot Rod and thus Prime sought an alternate approach to the conflict which alas failed.
Optimus plotted a course for victory which would hve been achieved if his soldiers had stayed on course. Sure he could have perhaps accounted for the sheer ineptness of Hotrod but no war plan, particularly when pitted against such an irasacible opponent is perfect and the success of his plan up till that point is remarkable considering the distinct firepower advantage possessed by the Decepticons.

As for his leadership ability, need I remind you that Optimus transcends death and brings about the Golden Age of Cybertron. His leadership credentials are unimpeachable.


And aside from all that you still haven't answered the most pertinent question- Who was the second gunman? Both the direction and the colour of the bolts rule out all but Hot Rod. Perhaps Optimus could have survived the blasts of Megatron. He had survived the blasts of the entire Decepticon armada up until this point. No.. what killed him was the blasts.... of Betrayal.

[Marc v4.0]

Han shot First

[Krylo]

Hotrod had no gun, and Megatron clearly fired at least three shots. We see only two purple blasts hit Optimus, but four blasts in total.

Either Megatron's blasts altered color (perhaps his gun was over heating or in some sort of overcharge mode), or he somehow missed so widely on his third shot that it was never captured on camera.

Given the distance and Megatron's accuracy to that point as well as the first orange blast having timing and aim completely in line with his third shot, I find this highly doubtful.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

No gun you say.
I point you to 2:23 of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1SNgRxiyF0
Notice how Hot Rod doesn't need guns and also fires the same colour of blasts that took out prime.
I find it doubtful that his purple firing gun suddendly shoots orange. Prime is hit by 2 purple blasts and 2 orange blasts. Thus under your scenario- Megatron being a good shot and all the blasts being from him, at least one blast has to change colour in between being fired and hitting Prime. That is out of line with all the other energy weapon shots we have seen in the transformers universe.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

No gun you say.
I point you to 2:23 of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1SNgRxiyF0
Notice how Hot Rod doesn't need guns and also fires the same colour of blasts that took out prime.
I find it doubtful that his purple firing gun suddendly shoots orange. Prime is hit by 2 purple blasts and 2 orange blasts. Thus under your scenario- Megatron being a good shot and all the blasts being from him, at least one blast has to change colour in between being fired and hitting Prime. That is out of line with all the other energy weapon shots we have seen in the transformers universe.

Now that Smarty's argument has devolved to insane conspiracy theories sputtered between mouthfuls of human flesh, I feel that it is a good time to point out that anyone who disagrees with me not only eats other people, but ALSO, agrees with Smarty McBarrelpants.

[Osterbaum]

I'd like to remind everyone that the origin of these orange blasts has never been proven either way. I'm not big on conspiracies and all, just stating the facts.