Ex-cop manhunt in LA; tragedy ensues

Jagos · 02-08-2013, 06:26 AM

Meet Chris Dorner. His uncensored manifesto can be explained best in a certain context. Hell, I can explain it in one word.

Racism. No, he's not racist. But as you read about a man who is thoughtful, intelligent, and very armed and dangerous, you begin to wonder how could a man decide to kill cops. In LA, you can kind of figure out why as you read his words. He's been the target of racism for a long time. He's been a whistleblower against injustice. And he's decided to take a stand against the corruption that caused his termination from the police force.

To explain in a nutshell, Dorner blew the whistle on his superior which lead to him being terminated. The superior officer kicked a perpetrator while they were down, causing a laceration in their eye which set up a chain of events leading to Dorner's dismissal from the LAPD.

As you read his words, you can understand his viewpoint even if you don't confine his actions... He tried fighting in court, he explained his reasoning and now he's aiming to use the bullet box instead of the judicial system.

Of course, the police do NOT want him alive... Just for driving a pickup, a couple was shot with one woman shot in the back and another shot in the hand. The LAPD has as many victims on its hands as Dorner at this point.

The timeline can be found here .

The man has a death wish and the best I can do is try to understand his actions. Having a manifesto helps but I have no idea what to believe right now given the severity of the crimes for Dorner and the LAPD.

-e- The media aren't in Big Bear:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...to-leave-.html

So my conspiracy theory is that they're preparing a drone strike.

Jagos · 02-08-2013, 07:46 AM

So I have a hunch...

I think that the "cop killer" might have been set up and I'm not positive on it. Indulge me a bit on my conspiracy...

Just in the same week, the LAPD let go of some officers for acting like a gang.

Now is it possible that the guy killed innocents? No question...

But can I also believe that the LAPD decided to go after him and set him up to assassinate him in the press?

Maybe... With everything that this guy talked about, I'm willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt until I have more to go on.

Kim · 02-08-2013, 10:12 AM

I'd be more sympathetic if he was just killing cops.

Jagos · 02-08-2013, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim

I'd be more sympathetic if he was just killing cops.

I'm not exactly sure what to believe just yet. There's another story that may be related which causes me to think that the guy may be innocent.

rpgdemon · 02-08-2013, 10:38 AM

How can anyone be sympathetic to ANYONE who's taking lives? That's seriously sickening.

Edit: Like, do you believe in the death penalty for the mentally ill then? For the "sane and healthy criminals"? I am seriously revolted by that statement. Someone should die for having a problem with their judgmental faculties, is what you're essentially saying.

Sifright · 02-08-2013, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

How can anyone be sympathetic to ANYONE who's taking lives? That's seriously sickening.

Edit: Like, do you believe in the death penalty for the mentally ill then? For the "sane and healthy criminals"? I am seriously revolted by that statement. Someone should die for having a problem with their judgmental faculties, is what you're essentially saying.

because people are more than just the final acts they take after their life has been destroyed by a police force that is renowned as one of the most racist police forces in usa?

It's easy to see how a person can be pushed so far they break?

His manifesto explains everything quite well, and if even half of it was true which i'm sure a great deal more than that is true. I can empathize with what lead him to break down.

Edit: I also don't see where any of the other police officers involved had mental illnesses.

Unless you are ascribing believing you are above the law and immune to such.
and that Hating on black people is a mental illness.

In which case all I can say is what.

rpgdemon · 02-08-2013, 11:33 AM

You're attacking a different thing than I am saying. Rather than go through the motions, I'm just going to exit stage left, and you can realize that arguing phantom points does not make any sense, as no one is arguing against you.

Kim said that cold blooded murder, with no motive aside from the fact that the murderees are cops, would make someone more sympathetic. That is sickening.

To find someone less sympathetic because his violence isn't pointlessly directed at someone, and is instead directed at someone in anger, is a disgusting attitude. To find someone sympathetic BECAUSE they're taking lives of people who honestly are messed up is not a healthy way to look a the world.

Sifright · 02-08-2013, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

You're attacking a different thing than I am saying. Rather than go through the motions, I'm just going to exit stage left, and you can realize that arguing phantom points does not make any sense, as no one is arguing against you.

Kim said that cold blooded murder, with no motive aside from the fact that the murderees are cops, would make someone more sympathetic. That is sickening.

To find someone less sympathetic because his violence isn't pointlessly directed at someone, and is instead directed at someone in anger, is a disgusting attitude. To find someone sympathetic BECAUSE they're taking lives of people who honestly are messed up is not a healthy way to look a the world.

In regards to kims point, I believe she was saying if he was only directing his violence against those he was aggrieved with she would have more sympathy for him, not that murdering cops makes you sympathetic.

That said, fuck the police.

Kim · 02-08-2013, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sifright

In regards to kims point, I believe she was saying if he was only directing his violence against those he was aggrieved with she would have more sympathy for him, not that murdering cops makes you sympathetic.

That said, fuck the police.

The institution of police is super fucked up. This and other stories make this fact readily apparent. I despise police.

I do not like killing. I do not like the taking of lives. However, violence directed at evil institutions of oppression for being what they are is something I can sympathize with.

As it is, he's just a murderer, and I'm much less sympathetic to his actions than I would be if he was just enacting violence against the police.

EDIT: Like, cops murder and hurt innocent people all the time. Even when the people aren't "innocent", they get away with using excessive force that they really shouldn't. They're also responsible for a lot of awful treatment of people and racism and just general shittiness. Even the "good ones" are complicit in this for not doing anything to try and stop it. I don't like murder, but I can sympathize with someone killing murderers, abusers, and their accomplices.

POS Industries · 02-09-2013, 03:53 PM

Gonna go ahead and (possibly temporarily) close the thread. I think things are getting overly heated and it would be a fantastic idea for everyone to take some time to cool off before we decide to resume this discussion.

02-08-2013, 06:26 AM	#1
Jagos FRONT KICK OF DOOM! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Howdy pardner... Posts: 6,399	Ex-cop manhunt in LA; tragedy ensues Meet Chris Dorner. His uncensored manifesto can be explained best in a certain context. Hell, I can explain it in one word. Racism. No, he's not racist. But as you read about a man who is thoughtful, intelligent, and very armed and dangerous, you begin to wonder how could a man decide to kill cops. In LA, you can kind of figure out why as you read his words. He's been the target of racism for a long time. He's been a whistleblower against injustice. And he's decided to take a stand against the corruption that caused his termination from the police force. To explain in a nutshell, Dorner blew the whistle on his superior which lead to him being terminated. The superior officer kicked a perpetrator while they were down, causing a laceration in their eye which set up a chain of events leading to Dorner's dismissal from the LAPD. As you read his words, you can understand his viewpoint even if you don't confine his actions... He tried fighting in court, he explained his reasoning and now he's aiming to use the bullet box instead of the judicial system. Of course, the police do NOT want him alive... Just for driving a pickup, a couple was shot with one woman shot in the back and another shot in the hand. The LAPD has as many victims on its hands as Dorner at this point. The timeline can be found here . The man has a death wish and the best I can do is try to understand his actions. Having a manifesto helps but I have no idea what to believe right now given the severity of the crimes for Dorner and the LAPD. -e- The media aren't in Big Bear: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...to-leave-.html So my conspiracy theory is that they're preparing a drone strike. __________________ Copyright musings World ramblings Scifi stories Last edited by Jagos; 02-08-2013 at 12:02 PM.

02-08-2013, 07:46 AM	#2
Jagos FRONT KICK OF DOOM! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Howdy pardner... Posts: 6,399	So I have a hunch... I think that the "cop killer" might have been set up and I'm not positive on it. Indulge me a bit on my conspiracy... Just in the same week, the LAPD let go of some officers for acting like a gang. Now is it possible that the guy killed innocents? No question... But can I also believe that the LAPD decided to go after him and set him up to assassinate him in the press? Maybe... With everything that this guy talked about, I'm willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt until I have more to go on. __________________ Copyright musings World ramblings Scifi stories Last edited by Jagos; 02-08-2013 at 09:26 PM.

02-08-2013, 10:12 AM	#3
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	I'd be more sympathetic if he was just killing cops. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

02-08-2013, 10:38 AM	#5
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	How can anyone be sympathetic to ANYONE who's taking lives? That's seriously sickening. Edit: Like, do you believe in the death penalty for the mentally ill then? For the "sane and healthy criminals"? I am seriously revolted by that statement. Someone should die for having a problem with their judgmental faculties, is what you're essentially saying. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF. Last edited by rpgdemon; 02-08-2013 at 10:41 AM.

02-08-2013, 11:33 AM	#7
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	You're attacking a different thing than I am saying. Rather than go through the motions, I'm just going to exit stage left, and you can realize that arguing phantom points does not make any sense, as no one is arguing against you. Kim said that cold blooded murder, with no motive aside from the fact that the murderees are cops, would make someone more sympathetic. That is sickening. To find someone less sympathetic because his violence isn't pointlessly directed at someone, and is instead directed at someone in anger, is a disgusting attitude. To find someone sympathetic BECAUSE they're taking lives of people who honestly are messed up is not a healthy way to look a the world. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

02-09-2013, 03:53 PM	#10
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Gonna go ahead and (possibly temporarily) close the thread. I think things are getting overly heated and it would be a fantastic idea for everyone to take some time to cool off before we decide to resume this discussion. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.