Eclipse Phase: Frosted Glass Discussion - Page 14

Overcast · 05-30-2010, 10:32 PM

Medichines aren't much worth on something that isn't biological. You'll probably need some Fixers.

Geminex · 05-30-2010, 10:43 PM

Going in the rear would be safer for Spectre, certainly, but I don't think we need a huge amount of protection there. He can infiltrate, so even if our opponents have powerful perception, he'll usually get close enough to see them before they see him. Then he can report back with data. If he stayed with the group, the group might be spotted before spotting the enemies in question.

Krylo · 05-31-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Overcast

Medichines aren't much worth on something that isn't biological. You'll probably need some Fixers.

Page 308, under Medichines:

Medichines for synthmorphs and bots consist of nanobots that monitor and repair the shell�s integrity and internal system functions. Note that the synthmorph version of medichines allows the synthmorph to self-repair in the same manner by which a biomorph with medichines would naturally heal (p. 208).

Geminex · 05-31-2010, 03:13 AM

Though I still question that he can get a Bot with 40 Dur, pretty good speed, the ability to use weapons and, above all, Neurachem, for just 1000. I'm not sure if the game is meant to be really droid-heavy, but I really don't think that this is in the spirit of the creator. I mean, sure, they're limited by AI, but unless PF makes the AI really retarded, Ellen is now our best close-combat damage dealer.

Krylo · 05-31-2010, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Though I still question that he can get a Bot with 40 Dur, pretty good speed, the ability to use weapons and, above all, Neurachem, for just 1000. I'm not sure if the game is meant to be really droid-heavy, but I really don't think that this is in the spirit of the creator. I mean, sure, they're limited by AI, but unless PF makes the AI really retarded, Ellen is now our best close-combat damage dealer.

What 1000?

It'd take more like 20000

Geminex · 05-31-2010, 03:52 AM

No, no it wouldn't.

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Guardian Angel: Similar to gnats, guardian angel rotorcraft hover around their charges, keeping a watchful eye out to protect them from threats. [Moderate]

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Guardian Angel 8/40 80 14/12 40 8 Rotor
Enhancements: +5 REF, 360-Degree Vision, Access Jacks, Chameleon Skin, Eelware, Enhanced Hearing, Enhanced Smell, Enhanced Vision,
Lidar, Light Combat Armor, Neurachem, T-Ray Emitter

40 dur, 14/12 armor, good speed, ability to use weapons, if you enhance it with pods (according to you) and, of course, neurachem, for 1000.

It's not combat-equipped yet, but that's easy. He's really only paying for the AI, weapons mounts and weapons. And ammo as well. Apparently it comes out to about 30000 for three, and he could cut that down some more if he forgets the seeker pistols and just goes for two heavy pistols.

Krylo · 05-31-2010, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

No, no it wouldn't.

40 dur, 14/12 armor, good speed, ability to use weapons, if you enhance it with pods (according to you) and, of course, neurachem, for 1000.

It's not combat-equipped yet, but that's easy. He's really only paying for the AI, weapons mounts and weapons. And ammo as well. Apparently it comes out to about 30000 for three, and he could cut that down some more if he forgets the seeker pistols and just goes for two heavy pistols.

I'm not sure what pods you're talking about, but AI is at least another 5000, more if he wants it to use more than one weapon (illegal/custom AIs go for around 20000 if the KAOS AI is any indication).

Seeker missiles are all at least 1000 per ten shots, the better ones are 5000.

Weapon mounts are 250, 1000 if you want them articulated (meaning they can aim in more directions) OR hidden--and I don't think you can get both at once.

Etc.

I mean I guess you could make a shitty pistol one that's not going to come close to a character's combat effectiveness for around 6-10 thousand if you wanted.

Geminex · 05-31-2010, 04:15 AM

Ok, so AI's gonna cost him a bit. But according to the manual, he can make unlimited copies of them. So really, he needs to spend 5000-20000 once, and then just needs to back up that AI somewhere, and copy it every time he makes a new droid.

When I said "pods" I meant "mounts". My bad.

And when he calculated 30000, he had 3 bots with a heavy pistol and seeker pistol each. They had low weapons skills, but, hell, they had 2 speed, and there were three of them. That estimate would rise of 45000 if the AI costs him 20000, but those 20000 would, like I said, be a one-time cost. Look, I'll calculate it, kay?

Bodyguard AI: 20000 (I'm assuming it'd have 2 weapons skills, and the Fray skill, as well as the Profession: Bodyguard skill, plus whatever else it needs. )
3 Pods: 3000
6 Articulated weapons mounts: 6000
4 Heavy Rail Pistols (with lasersight and extended magazine): 6000
2 Seeker pistols: 2000
Total ammo: 4000 for seekers (not sure which to get), 1000 for 400 rounds of AP ammo.

Gives me 41000.

So he'd get two pods which deal murderous close-range damage, one which is fairly good at both close- and long-range, and has quite a few versatile ammo choices. They'd all have a bit of survivability, certainly, but still be expendable. Certainly one of the better damage dealers in the group, provided he keeps them safe from hacking.

Edit: But, hell, I never said that I have a problem with the total cost of getting Ellen's bodyguards (though I do). I did say that I have a problem that he can get Guardian Angel for just 1000, and that it contains the majority of what he needs. He's really only paying for AI and weapons.

Krylo · 05-31-2010, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

And when he calculated 30000, he had 3 bots with a heavy pistol and seeker pistol each.

No, he had two bots with pistols and one with a seeker for 23k.

He was also using chemical pistols (firearms) not rail pistols.

And he didn't even take any of the decent seeker ammo.

Geminex · 05-31-2010, 04:45 AM

But that's more because he's inexperienced, and less because it isn't possible.
And I think he updated his estimate later. But anyway, like I said:
Usually, for a morph with good survivability, high mobility, and that many enhancements (among them Neurachem, for god's sake), you'd be paying at least 20000. You get this one for just 1000. Is that... right?

05-30-2010, 10:32 PM	#131
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	Medichines aren't much worth on something that isn't biological. You'll probably need some Fixers. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

05-31-2010, 04:15 AM	#138
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Ok, so AI's gonna cost him a bit. But according to the manual, he can make unlimited copies of them. So really, he needs to spend 5000-20000 once, and then just needs to back up that AI somewhere, and copy it every time he makes a new droid. When I said "pods" I meant "mounts". My bad. And when he calculated 30000, he had 3 bots with a heavy pistol and seeker pistol each. They had low weapons skills, but, hell, they had 2 speed, and there were three of them. That estimate would rise of 45000 if the AI costs him 20000, but those 20000 would, like I said, be a one-time cost. Look, I'll calculate it, kay? Bodyguard AI: 20000 (I'm assuming it'd have 2 weapons skills, and the Fray skill, as well as the Profession: Bodyguard skill, plus whatever else it needs. ) 3 Pods: 3000 6 Articulated weapons mounts: 6000 4 Heavy Rail Pistols (with lasersight and extended magazine): 6000 2 Seeker pistols: 2000 Total ammo: 4000 for seekers (not sure which to get), 1000 for 400 rounds of AP ammo. Gives me 41000. So he'd get two pods which deal murderous close-range damage, one which is fairly good at both close- and long-range, and has quite a few versatile ammo choices. They'd all have a bit of survivability, certainly, but still be expendable. Certainly one of the better damage dealers in the group, provided he keeps them safe from hacking. Edit: But, hell, I never said that I have a problem with the total cost of getting Ellen's bodyguards (though I do). I did say that I have a problem that he can get Guardian Angel for just 1000, and that it contains the majority of what he needs. He's really only paying for AI and weapons. Last edited by Geminex; 05-31-2010 at 04:17 AM.

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05-30-2010, 10:43 PM	#132
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Going in the rear would be safer for Spectre, certainly, but I don't think we need a huge amount of protection there. He can infiltrate, so even if our opponents have powerful perception, he'll usually get close enough to see them before they see him. Then he can report back with data. If he stayed with the group, the group might be spotted before spotting the enemies in question.

05-31-2010, 03:13 AM	#134
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Though I still question that he can get a Bot with 40 Dur, pretty good speed, the ability to use weapons and, above all, Neurachem, for just 1000. I'm not sure if the game is meant to be really droid-heavy, but I really don't think that this is in the spirit of the creator. I mean, sure, they're limited by AI, but unless PF makes the AI really retarded, Ellen is now our best close-combat damage dealer.

05-31-2010, 04:45 AM	#140
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	But that's more because he's inexperienced, and less because it isn't possible. And I think he updated his estimate later. But anyway, like I said: Usually, for a morph with good survivability, high mobility, and that many enhancements (among them Neurachem, for god's sake), you'd be paying at least 20000. You get this one for just 1000. Is that... right?