06-22-2010, 12:21 PM | #1 |
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A study of the Anonymous.
So the Boston Globe ran a nine page story a few days ago that takes a look at anonymous posting and the people that practice it.
I snagged a few highlights but really it would be in your best interest to read the whole thing. I was rather enlightening all things considered. Commence wall of text! Anyway what are your thoughts on the power of anonymity? Do you feel that the trend of forcing accountability back into the system is the way to go? Are there people even here that you feel you might take differently if they were more than an avatar, a screen name, and a random picture in the PYP thread? Frankly I happen to like the freedom of the internet. I wish I could find the words to really expound on that more. I do realize that with freedom comes responsibility. I also feel that the internet as a whole does a decent job of policing itself within its individual communities. Though it would still be funny as hell to find out that Smarty, for all his revolutionary ways, is actually a staunch conservative English national who contracts with Halliburton. |
06-22-2010, 01:20 PM | #2 |
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That was a fun article to read.
I guess I like being anonymous on the net, but am I actually anonymous? I use the same username pretty much everywhere, so it is truly my online self now. It wouldn't be hard to link it to evidence of my real name either. That being said, there's definitely stuff I say online that I wouldn't offline. Those're probably the more uncommon things I'd say while mad that I would refrain from in a physical social situation, though. I wouldn't have a problem tagging my real identity to my online one though. In fact I do on the new Battlenet. My only concern is identity theft, but nothing really concerning the huge power I get from anonymity. |
06-22-2010, 01:29 PM | #3 | |
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I still need to read through the article, but I have to say it's a double-edged sword for me. On one hand, I make it no secret who I am, but on the other, I suck at talking to machines. Answering machines, forum posts, I am just not good at it. IM is a bit better and I'm fine on the phone and with email, though. If someone who knew me online would meet me in meatspace, they'd probably be shocked at how different I seem.
Basically, the prospect of a potential employer taking a look at what I do online scares me, because it's a poor representation of who I actually am. But am I anonymous? Not really.
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06-22-2010, 08:28 PM | #4 |
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Anonymity is good. In Korea for most websites you have to sign up with your social security number in order to create an account (the government has proposed making this a law, and Google and Yahoo! have gotten into a little trouble for refusing to implement a real name system for the Korean version of their sites). This has lead to things like people being arrested or sued by the government.
One of the more high profile cases recently was a man that went by the handle "Minerva." He claimed to be a credentialed economist and that the government's policy regarding their response to the 2008 Banking Clusterfuck was going to lead to ruination. Don't remember the exact details, but people panicked, sold a bunch of stock, and made the market take a small dip which I guess embarrassed the government who was trying to talk up the stability of their market to foreign investors. So the government tracked him down and arrested him for libel (turns out the guy wasn't an economist and at least most of his data was made up b.s. [though the truth isn't a libel defense in Korea which is a whole other post]). Here's a link to a Wired article on the matter.
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06-22-2010, 08:39 PM | #5 |
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Isn't that just all the more proof that you should double and triple and sometimes perhaps quadruple check any online info sources for consistancy? I mean, if all this stir was caused by "some guy claiming to be an economist" it could have easily been solved by people learning of a statistic I found online that states 99% of info on the internet is wrong.
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06-22-2010, 08:43 PM | #6 | |
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06-23-2010, 03:42 PM | #7 |
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I make lots of dirty jokes and off-color comments online I probably wouldn't make in real life, nor do I want an employer looking at them. As such I will make sure to never put my birth date in again! I don't think my zip code is readily available, either, though, so other than my sex I think I'm pretty anonymous and harder to track down.
Obviously if an actual government entity wants to find me they can get my IP off my ISP but as for some future employer's Google searching me I think I'm good as long as they never know my online handle. As for people making bad decisions based on stuff they read online, I don't think it's evidence enough to make EVERYONE identified because some people are so stupid they believe stuff online. If people knew who I really was I would be stifled in some of my opinions just because I'm not sure if I want people I know to know I have that opinion (then again, I'm pretty vociferous in voicing them in my personal life too, so maybe it wouldn't be an issue). It's probably just the dirty jokes, really. Perhaps it's cowardice, but then again, voting is anonymous for a reason, and I think it's a similar reason for why I think we should be able to post "anonymously", under an online handle. Anyway, the reason China wants to make it illegal to post anonymously is they want to know who's door to kick down to drag off to prison for thoughtcrime, it's not exactly a good reason to get rid of anonymous posting. Obviously in America you have politicians making posts under false names or fake "reviews" posted by companies, but again, why not just make it illegal for politicians or companies to post anonymously as opposed to everyone. EDIT: Actually it just occurred to me after reading the full article (man it's long), that personally I wouldn't say certain things online anyway (like racist slurs or mean insults or whatever) not just because I'm not a racist but because quite frankly I've put so much into my "online handle" I don't want those things associated with it! I don't want the other people in the communities I care about looking down on me, just like Yoshimi25 mentions. So quite frankly at this point I'm not even "anonymous", really, in that I can say anything I want, because it would make my online handle look bad. A tenuous insignificant supposedly worthless thing like an online handle has actual value to me, because it's not just an online handle to me. Last edited by Magus; 06-23-2010 at 04:14 PM. |
06-23-2010, 09:09 PM | #8 |
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In my opinion anonymity is a double edged sword in a way. Now just to specify so ya'll don't bitch later on here we have Anonymity in one sense. we are also Tied to a name that we give our selves and in turn Create a new Identity instead of forgoing it. I want to talk about True anonymity.
I think Anonymous is a kind of refection on the Pure image of mankind. When we don't have rules and can't get caught How far do we push things? On one side Anon can be Extremely generous. Giving information out for free so others can prosper. Which puts a little faith back into Humanity. Then their is the other side... the side we all have been burned with. The Monstrous side of our reflection. There is people that ether have No Personality to call their own or have nothing be rage and contempt for others. That Decide to attack or destroy anything they want. While yes It is funny in some situations Not having a name tied to you means that others have nothing to contact you. That is why I prefer this type of anon. the partial anonymity. where people can act like they want but still have punishments if they are dicks. Where our handle becomes our name our avatar our face and our text our words. This is something that shouldn't be taken away.
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06-24-2010, 10:23 AM | #9 |
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Yeah, if someone has built up 4000 posts on one username they probably don't consider themselves anonymous and being able to say anything they want. When I think of the anonymous trolls that annoy people it seems more like the type of people who post on /b/ on 4Chan or who make up a handle every other day because the ten prior ones have been banned from the comments section of such-and-such website.
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