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^^; If it helps, I got a rough draft proposal here, although I'm still waiting for AB to see about demon classes and the accessories. So it's not final. Also not listed in any particular order, although I can promise that Pokebrid is coming up next. The only altered thing about level 1 to 4 was taking the changes that we all approved regarding Trainer Actions being 1 technique for every second level of trainer (2 and 4) as opposed to the old trainer attack at level 3. Already Earned Level 5 onwards Conditional Upgrades So... even though I'd still like to wait for AB to submit everything, you guys got any relevant thoughts? Mind you, I wrote this assuming that "customizing everything level 5 on" meant character level, although I kept it similar to the upgrades sheet in most respect. And once again, this is not finalized. Although it's as close to it as it will be before I see what AB dishes out. Last edited by Menarker; 08-30-2010 at 02:41 PM. |
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08-30-2010, 02:41 PM | #12 |
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Overpowered.
Obscenely. I mean, it's disgusting. And yeah, Geminex meant that we only get to customize our classes once we get past level 5 in those classes. Not after our characters reach their fifth upgrade. Trust me dude. Specifically? I'm against your Protective Guard, and your upgrade at Breeder level 2 that makes your pokemon immune to domination. I'm also rather iffy at your stat boosts, and Improved Mobility Armored.
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08-30-2010, 03:02 PM | #13 |
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Raise your hand if you saw this coming a mile away, Geminex.
Admit it. Anyone with two brain cells knew what was going to result from this idea of customizing your own advanced classes. It wouldn't stop thread long arguements, only change their direction and possibly make them longer. I'm going to go to duty now, and hopefully I can deal with the encroaching headache that will be this thread when I get home. |
08-30-2010, 03:05 PM | #14 |
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Hey, they haven't gotten long yet!
Give us a chance, we'll change!
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Regarding Upgrades in general:
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Also, a good deal of the upgrades that Slayers normally get wouldn't apply since they relate to weapons, which my character gave up. So what I summed in was a "Follow Me" technique (useful if you're careful), the two "conditionals upgrades" and otherwise spread out the upgrades further, making getting one accessory at level 2 instead of the normal two and getting increased attack power a bit later. Regarding Protective Guard: 1) Doesn't take rage from other people, so it won't count as a way to gain rage. 2) Doesn't reduce damage at all. It's basically damage redirection. 3) Thematic in a caring/heroic "Body as a Shield" sort of way. 4) It's similar to your Mock ability except it's an actual upgrade that wouldn't be a free action. More like an item use action or so. Unless there is something else you're concerned about? Regarding Domination: 1) Removed Custom Item for it. 2) Very situational as only bosses seem to have anything like domination atm and not even frequently. And even the fact of confusion is that it only prevents damage. If it would succeed, it would still be a Null Turn on the pokemon. 3) BTW, it's on Breeder 1 not 2. 4) Very thematic given how loyal the pokemons should be to Renny. Regarding Stat Boosts: Pokemons/pokebrids are not equally effective attackers most of the time. Usually, they got one attack strong and the other weak. Pokebrids also got lower stats than Slayers except for a select few that are higher than normal. This would help more than stats all across the board. Slayers can use all around stats because they can use all attack types and such, but not Pokebrids. Plus, I intend to use a bit of speed, which is otherwise situational. Gem also proposed this sort of thing too and AB summed it up here. Quote:
Regarding Improved Mobility RDPA: It's not any bit more powerful in strength or defense. No additional uses either. Just a conversion in more freedom in which turns it is used, and a little boost in that Overdrive doesn't cause it to be rendered useless for the rest of the battle (as long as there are uses leftover). So yeah, I think what I proposed is strong, but since I kept mostly to the update sheets, removed some stuff and spread the upgrades thinner in places to keep it more balanced, I thought it would be appropriate. Anyhow, still waiting to see what the accessories are. And the demon template so we know how to scale things. Last edited by Menarker; 08-30-2010 at 03:45 PM. |
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I'd get to customize four levels of Demon and one of Breeder, for five. You'd get to customize three levels of Overblade and one of Breeder. Yeah, you and me are tied. Geminex is the one that gets the most customization, which is understandable because, y'know, it's Demon class, and it's not like he'd be copy-pasting all the best upgrades from the other classes. If Gem was thinking ahead, you really think he would put it at level 5, which is really just two steps away? At least he'd try not to be so obvious about it and put it at like level 8 or 9 or 10 or something. Quote:
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Second, if you'll remember my proposed Magatama, I wanted Pierce to get an ability. That did pretty much this. He'd stand in front of an ally and take all the damage directed at them. Except, y'know, it'd have a Rage cost, and presumably the ally he's protecting wouldn't get any Rage either. See, my version is more balanced than yours. I mean really, what you're getting is a free action, since you didn't specify anything like "have to give up item use for that turn" or whatever. Also, have we decided that you can give up Slayer weapons for powering up Pokebrid moves? I mean, I know you proposed it, and I remember Geminex disagreed with it, and I don't remember if we even reached a conclusion. Now you're just posting it as it originally was, like nothing happened. Quote:
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"It's thematic" is not a main reason to justify anything! I mean yes, it holds some weight, but not much. I mean, if it actually mattered, then Pierce would be invincible because "it's thematic". Not to mention, it's extremely easy to change your character's development so that an ability that wouldn't have been thematic before suddenly becomes so. So we can say that "it's thematic" should really not be a valid reason. Anyway. "At the moment" does not mean that regular enemies won't be able to throw Domination and all the other effects like it around like party favors later. I mean, for fuck's sake, Domination was only introduced like, one RP page ago! You can't possibly know if any of it is going to be widespread or not. Custom item is not worth immunity to like two different statuses, NOT TO MENTION AN ENTIRE CLASS. Quote:
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So you spread out your accessory availability, whooptie-do. You're still getting them. So you gave up a custom item, and the Ricewood Rifle. It has to stay at relatively the same power level as the upgrades are now, man! I mean, for God's sakes, you made yourself immune to the Snagger class!
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As for Snaggers, It's also not immunity to a class, but a class feature. Snaggers got more pokemons than trainers, so Renny would still have to contend with all that. The difference is that, out of all the targets that Snaggers can choose to steal from, Renny's pokemon would not be eligible. Quote:
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08-30-2010, 04:25 PM | #18 |
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You're getting immunity to THE class feature that makes Snaggers Snaggers.
I mean, it'd be like me giving Pierce an armor that instantly breaks Slayer weapons, or makes him immune to pokemon moves. Simply? It's a no-no. The whole point of Snaggers is that they can steal your pokemon and fuck up your whole strategy. Sure, they can still target anyone else, but Snagging isn't a status effect you can protect against. Also, Snaggers only GET more pokemon than Trainers if they can, y'know, SNAG 'EM. Not to mention, your proposed Shock Trooper conditional upgrade would certainly even the odds. Or, more accurately, tip them in your favor.
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08-30-2010, 05:01 PM | #19 |
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Level 5 onwards
Ok. I did the following edits from the last submission: 1) Removed Protective Guard entirely. 2) Heavily altered Domination/Snagger immunity to more of a resistance. 3) Edited the stats so I can edit my stats at the start, but get less total stats growth than normal slayers do. 4) Kept Improved Mobility RDPA as is. Thoughts? AB: How would a pokebrid who goes slayer have their stats change? Pokebrids got one formula and Slayers are all arounders who are stronger in almost every stat due to having psuedo legendary builds. Last edited by Menarker; 08-30-2010 at 05:28 PM. |
08-30-2010, 05:39 PM | #20 |
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Seems more acceptable.
Now let's see what Geminex has to say. Though, I'd suggest dropping Renny's chance to snap his pokemon out of Domination to something like 70 or 75%, or even less. Seems like you're taking advantage of AB's guesstimating. Basically, as it is, Renny would instantly get his pokemon back from Domination. Maybe if Renny's pokemon got dominated one or two more times, THEN it'd fail. What I'm suggesting is that you make a realistic chance that Renny's pokemon won't snap out of Domination on the first try. 20% is, I think, not realistic.
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