Pokemon Umbral Theatre 14: Beloved Godlord Dracorion

[Astral Harmony]

That's right, you're all the main characters, and I'm going to make sure no one steals the ultimate spotlight right up until the very end.

Mainly because I'll be stealing the spotlight at that time.

[Menarker]

Hehe, yeah.

Anyhow, AB, I know you're playing the pokemon games for fun, but wouldn't it be easier to choose 6 that you like and beat the game with them? You could always replay the game with a new team of 6 (or 5 if you like playing the same starter over and over. =P ) and make each of them their own spotlight for an entire gameplay. ^^

^^ I remember way back in Generation 1 when I would choose a brand new team of 5 pokemons to go with my starters despite how much I may have veered away from certain pokemons like Slowpoke. In time, I grew to really admire their strengths. ^^

Up to you entirely of course. :3 But it's a bit more practical I would suppose. I always seemed to insist on playing the game as if I was playing through a narrative with each of the pokemons have their own personality ala 7 dwarfs. Harder to do that if I have to stuff the characters in a virtual box in "Someone's PC".


Oh geez, I just imagined what it would be like if someone could hack Bill/Lanette/Bridgette/Bebe/Shouro's PC and thus stealing all the storage pokemons or mixing them all up and what not. :3

Just glad that Renny doesn't store any of his pokemons on PC. ^^ They either are free-ranged within his home or he takes them with him. The above hacking wouldn't effect him directly.

EDIT: ... Although I realize that the anime DID try to do that plot about hacking the computers and stealing pokemons... that was the same Porygon episode in which the animation style triggered seizures and gave pokemon the negative attention it got.

[Geminex]

I'm surprised you're the one saying this, considering all the requests you've made of me and the way Impact likes to hog the spotlight on the battlefield and the way you cry foul whenever something doesn't go the way you want it to, like Impact not being picked the leader first and like when the scythetip was considered to be useless for the sake of character development.

I've never said 'make my character more important'. I've never asked you to interfere on my behalf in those matters. I occasionally ask/suggest something to make the plot seem more believable, but that's pretty much it.

When I got pissed back then, it wasn't because my character wasn't the most important. Of course not! That'd just be... eh. Douchebag.
I got pissed because you had interfered, and acted unfairly in my opinion. I didn't want Impact to be leader! I wanted it to be left to ourselves to decide who's leader. If I had failed in my quest to persuade everyone else, that would have been that. I would've accepted that. But as it is, my character didn't really get much of a chance before you had picked Menarker, and that choice seemed pretty fucking arbitrary.

The point I made back then is pretty much the point I'm making now. If we're talking about leadership, or importance to the plot, or pretty much anything concerning character hierarchy let us regulate that ourselves. There's not need to interfere, really, and doing so will only piss off some people and reward others unfairly.

The scythetip thing had nothing to do with importance or lack thereof. It had to do with the fact that a lot of effort and planning on my part were ignored, while charlotte got pretty much an incubus ex machina, and there was really no reason for that.

Both those matters and off the table now, and I really don't wanna reopen them. I'm just... clarifying that, even in those situatons, I was never asking you to make Impact more important.

And if there's nothing else, it seems like-
Hmm?
What's that?
Elephant?
What ele-
Oh! That elephant! I had missed that!
Ladies and gentelemen, it seems like we have an elephant in the room!
Namely the fact that Impact's gonna be villain in the sequel.
But I really don't think that's such a big deal. I mean firstly, it doesn't make him that much more important than the other characters. We're still all PCs, and that means we're the only people capable of actually getting anything done. Impact may have more resources to get said things done, but those resources are pretty much gonna be tied up in so many places, you would not believe. His actions and decisions aren't gonna be much more important than, say, Renny's.

And even if he is more relevant to the plot, I worked for that. I'm doing, and will do, tons of development, planning, negotiations. I'm earning this. And okay, AB's giving me a bit of a leg-up. But that's more 'letting me switch sides' and less 'making me more important'.
And honestly... I don't think any of you have moral high ground when it comes to the matter of 'switching sides'.
^^
Also, what Menarker said. I agree with that. Including the bit at the end regarding the item. Let's try it that way.
Except for this bit:

an almost magnetic pull for allies

: /
Why do you insist on the misconception that Renny is somehow uber-duber likable? Sure, he makes friends and he's open. But Impact's ambitious and pretty good at manipulating people, while Pierce is himself fairly charismatic. We all gain allies easily, it's not just Renny.

[Menarker]

Also, what Menarker said. I agree with that. Including the bit at the end regarding the item. Let's try it that way.

So, this sums it up correctly?

Staunch Supporter's Bandanna
Effect: Whenever a secondary effect triggers on a target from a move that could benefit from Serene Grace, choose either Special Attack, Defense or Special Defense and add 1 stage boost to it. The same stat cannot be boosted twice in the same round with AOE attacks by the effect of this item.

: /
Why do you insist on the misconception that Renny is somehow uber-duber likable? Sure, he makes friends and he's open. But Impact's ambitious and pretty good at manipulating people, while Pierce is himself fairly charismatic. We all gain allies easily, it's not just Renny.

I know Pierce is pretty charismatic in his own right, mainly sexual in nature. And Impact can spin a pretty convincing argument and get people to follow orders. But for Renny, it mainly shows in how Renny has managed to earn the sincere trust of those around him especially those who used to be their enemies. I'm talking mainly about Shannon during the second mission. Yes, I know we haven't had NPCs that rejected a PC or disobeyed an order yet on the basis of charisma and we don't exactly have many examples. But Shannon was very much untamed when she first arrived. Same with Harliette. Now, the two of them are downright buddy buddy with Renny. Also, Rayleen didn't even know him that well and despite the factors like lack of experience and the young age factor, trusted him enough to try to make him leader.
I understand if you're somewhat skeptical about Renny having a magnetic charisma. That's fine. That's just what I felt might be a trait of his.
Of course, if Renny ever manages to tame the man-hating egoist Discord, or at least partially so, then this would be undisputed... If Renny could handle her abrasive presence for more than a few seconds without fleeing or being emotionally crushed...

That would make a interesting topic for an omake or a sprite comic...

[Geminex]

That's summed up correctly.

And sure, Shannon and Harliette have mellowed up.
But why would you attribute that to Renny? He's been nice to them two or three times. That usually really doesn't have that much of an impact.

Edit: And Renny being made leader was an out-of-character decision entirely. For the purpose of character interaction, I'm pretty sure we should disregard it.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Why are we making certain characters more important than others at all? I mean, what justification is there to go 'Yep, this is the main character'? We all contribute to the RP.
And even if some characters are more important than others, I'd say it's pretty unfair of the DM to decide who should be imporant and who not. Let that develop by itself, through inter-character interactions. The DM should remain neutral when it comes to this.

I-

You-

I don't-

I'm going to punch you in the dick.

ALL YOU DID WAS SAY "HEY, I WANNA RULE THE WORLD" AND POOF! YOU'RE THE MAIN VILLAIN AND NOW YOU'RE COCKBLOCKING ME?!

Rage at Geminex for being a motherfucker aside, Charlotte can't be the main character because she's already on Team Evil.

EDIT: Gem, I remember back when Renny was picked leader, you held your breath and practically said that you'd bitch and whine if anyone but Impact was picked leader.

[Menarker]

Ok. Editted the item in. Custom Item Problem solved.

Well, Shannon hated Drac and Impact at the time given how they treated her during debriefing, nevermind that the Watchmen arrested her and Charlotte shot Moon who was trying to protect her. However, during the mission, Renny have been overall supportive to the point that she even go "I love you Renny! I love you Lola!" for helping her out in combat.

Harliette IS a surprise factor since I didn't even expect that myself so soon. Although Renny did put out the plasma fire she suffered from Wildfire in the last mission. But anyhow, that's kinda the point of "magnetic". Renny does treat her kindly, but it happened regardless of what Renny expected. It might very well stem from how Renny treats her. It might stem from how he treats her best friend Whitney. Or a combination of such circumstances and any unrelated ones.

But like I said, that's what I feel is a trait of Renny since I felt it consistantly happened enough to be a possible trait. Like other subjective traits, it's open to interpretation and while I defend my viewpoint, I'm not adamant about it. Since I could be very wrong about how AB's NPCs view Renny and all.

[Geminex]

ALL YOU DID WAS SAY "HEY, I WANNA RULE THE WORLD" AND POOF! YOU'RE THE MAIN VILLAIN AND NOW YOU'RE COCKBLOCKING ME?!

Oh wow
Man.
You have got me. YOU GOT ME GOOD.
Like, man!
I have no defense against that. I am defenseless. Your points are impeccable. I guess there is nothing left for me other than to curl up and hide because there is no way I can recover from that I mean how would that even work and its not like I've already responded to this same exact point alreadyOH WAIT YES IT IS

Namely the fact that Impact's gonna be villain in the sequel.
But I really don't think that's such a big deal. I mean firstly, it doesn't make him that much more important than the other characters. We're still all PCs, and that means we're the only people capable of actually getting anything done. Impact may have more resources to get said things done, but those resources are pretty much gonna be tied up in so many places, you would not believe. His actions and decisions aren't gonna be much more important than, say, Renny's.

I mean honestly
DO YOU EVEN READ THESE WORDS THAT WE POST
Wait a second, stupid question. OF COURSE YOU DON'T.
Your must absorb the meaning my osmosis or something. That is honestly the only possible explanation for the degree of stupid that is present in your posts. Or maybe you're entirely illiterate and your posts are just a series of unfortunate events, probability being defied again and again as you flail at your keyboard and randomly generate an array of letters that, against all hope and decency and casualty, comes together each and every fucking time to make the most horrible post possible in this situation. I mean dammit, man. Bullcrap like that is unreal. It doesn't even happen!

Please, man! Punch me in the dick! With any luck the pain will distract me from the massive ache deep within me that is caused by the last vestige of hope I have for humanity leaving me every time I read another word you write.

[Dracorion]

Oh man.

It's like you didn't spend an inordinate amount of time telling me that Impact ruling the world was gonna be so sweet and dude your rebellion is going to get soooooooo squashed.

I suppose I could chalk that up to your bullshit.

After all, it's not like the PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD has all that much authority, amirite? I mean come on.

And while Pierce may have one billionaire backing him, that doesn't compare to Impact's resources in the least. Sure, they're going to be spread out around THE FREAKING WORLD, except they're like that already.

Not only will you at least have the amount of resources dedicated to Honmyr in particular, I'm sure that with IMPACT'S TOTALLY AWESOME ECONOMIC SKILLS BECAUSE OH MAN WOW PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD HE IS SO SMART, he can reallocate some more resources from other regions.

So his overall budget for squashing the rebellion should make Pierce's budget look like chump change in comparison.

And hey, obviously the decisions Renny makes will be as important as Impact's! I mean, Renny's going to be deciding the fate of entire countries every two seconds, obviously.

Because he's God. Yeah, Renny is secretly God. AWESOME PLOT TWIST.

[Geminex]

I feel compelled to congratulate you.
Because that just yet?
That almost wasn't retarded. Almost.

But come on, are you really basing this on budget? You can't be. Because I'm pretty sure I've said before that even if I could (which I can't, obviously=Impact won't be getting excessive amounts of resources.
And even if he did, this isn't about resources. It's not about going 'which character is more important IC'. It's about AB making an OOC decision and going 'This or that character will be treated as more important by me'. That's the problem I have. Impact's gonna get world domination, yeah. But he'll still be treated exactly the same as the other characters, the story won't focus on him any more than it does on you guys, and his grip on world domination is gonna be so tenous that, no matter how much authority he has, it's gonna be very difficult for him to exercise it correctly.

It's like you didn't spend an inordinate amount of time telling me that Impact ruling the world was gonna be so sweet and dude your rebellion is going to get soooooooo squashed.

Well, that's less due to Impact's inherent power and/or importance and more due to the fact that Impact is being played by me as opposed to being played by, say, you.