My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[rpgdemon]

Actually, thinking on it, the whole Fawful thing is probably more suspicious than the whole Snake thing. Mainly because he was active at night, and hasn't posted here, but wasn't replaced for inactivity.

Unvote:Snake
Vote: Fawful

I still think Snake is suspicious, but Fawful is more immediately suspicious.

[Fenris]

I need to clear up some misconceptions.

The people I replaced quit.

I have yet to prune inactives.

I also do not count merely submitting night roles as an active participant in my threads. Any of you who have ever played a game of mine ever should know this.

[Geminex]

While you're clearing up misconceptions, is it against the rules to post flavor text?

[Geminex]

Okay, wow. We are really getting caught up in this Sif/Karesh situation, aren't we? This is what the accusations against snake tie into, isn't it?

Right, what do we know. Sif said he knew who Fluttershy was and confirmed Karesh's roleclaim. Karesh claims to have immunity from being targeted at night as far as I can tell.

Snake thinks it's iffy that Fen would allow such a role to exist (which makes total sense, since it seems absurdly powerful) and has suggested that a good way to confirm Karesh's role would be for the vig to attempt a kill. Hmm.

We have 4 possible situations here:

Karesh and Sif both town: Plausible. In this case, everything is dandy. It'd be weird for Fen to put such an absurdly powerful fluttershy into the game, but that's the way it would be.

Karesh scum and Sif town: In this case, sif would've made his roleclaim in good faith, and Karesh would actually be fluttershy. It makes no sense, unless anyone here is willing to accept that fluttershy might be scummy. Not plausible.

Karesh town and Sif scum: Would make sense. Sif hasn't actually proven that he knows anything, and it'd fit in with his previous behavior. I still think the suicide thing is a bluff, I'll get back to this later. Sif would in this case probably have assumed that Fluttershy is the Doctor, and tried to get fluttershy to reveal themselves. Mind you, if this is the case, why'd Karesh not get nightkilled? I guess the mafia would've just believed Karesh's power claim.

Karesh and Sif both scum: The two would've set up the gambit to protect each other, both taking steps to avoid an investigation, Karesh by claiming immunity to night actions, Sifright by doing the suicide thing. It'd also explain why Karesh didn't get nightkilled.

So, 4 situations. 3 of those are at least plausible. We're trying to find out which it is. SO how to do it?

We can either test Karesh's claim to invulnerability, via Vig. Or we can lynch sif to alignment-check him. Neither are optimal, obviously.

If we lynch Sif, he's dead, no matter what the outcome is. If he turns out to be town, that's obviously bad. What's good is that, in this case, we kill Sif, but, in return, we get confirmation that Karesh is town, and thus have someone trustworthy. If he turns out to be mafia, which I actually think is likely, at this point, coolio. Point for us. The problem is that this still won't confirm if Karesh is town or scum.

Mind you, lynching happens at the end of the day. As such, if Sif is scum, the vig could still decide to go for Karesh and test his abilities. He couldn't test his alignment, mind you, he could simply test whether he's bulletproof.

Which brings us to the problem with our second option: We could let Sif live and rely on the Vig to check Karesh. But the problem with this is that we won't get anything conclusive. If Karesh is lying about being bulletproof, he dies, and we'll have a mafia kill, since I don't think a townie would claim to be immune to night actions. In addition, we'll know that Sif is Scum as well, and have two in the bag. This would be conclusive and awesome. However.

What if Karesh doesn't die? It wouldn't confirm his town status. He could simply be bulletproof scum. We'd have wasted a Vig kill, and wouldn't have anything to show for it. Hell, we might not even get a confirmation that the vig tried to kill Karesh.

While this method is good in that, if our suspicions that Karesh is falsely roleclaiming are correct, we won't kill any townies. But on the other hand, as I said, it's inconclusive. As an additonal downside this method relies on the Vig playing along, which, as Snake himself said, isn't a good thing.

Uhm. Both methods have pros and cons. I really don't think Snake favoring one over the other is evidence that he's the SK, even if he is contradicting himself.

I do think that Sif's sudden change of heart is weird. Nikose' argument didn't hold water, and, in fact, Sif's suicide would totally clear up this situation!

I certainly think that killing Sif is the better option, btw. I'd prefer to potentially sacrifice a townie and get something conclusive.

Right.

Does that make sense?

Edit:
TL; DR:
We should either lynch Sif or trust the vig to hit Karesh during this round, since it's important to clear up whether one or either of them are scum, and have the roles they claim to have. BOth solutions have advantages and disadvantages, but I'd really prefer to lynch sif, for reasons listed above. I definitely think we should do one of the two.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Geminex

While you're clearing up misconceptions, is it against the rules to post flavor text?

You may not copy/paste or otherwise post the entirety of your role PM.

So basically yes, but what Karesh did earlier is okay by me.

[Bard The 5th LW]

(which makes total sense, since it seems absurdly powerful)

Nope, its called Bulletproof. Me and RPG had it last game. You can be targeted, but not killed. A PO could scan you, but a Vig couldn't kill you. Only way to kill a bulletproof player is with a lynch.

[Solid Snake]

So I'm going to be out of town for IRL reasons tonight and I really don't feel like actually spending time on my one night to relax defending my continued existence here. So here's what I'd like to suggest. I want Nik and RPG and my other critics, when they have a spare moment, to articulate their exact reasoning as to why I am scummy. I want them to be as specific as possible. I do not want Nik in particular to continue his tired tactic of labeling me as SK and giving vague misconceptions and untruths as his foundation.

(It is possible that RPG has done this already, to be honest I'm not in a position tonight to properly assess his arguments and respond to them. Unlike all the inactive, barely-active, inconsistent, unproductive, suicidal and/or eleven year old kids in this game, **I DO NOT HALF-ASS THIS SHIT** feel free to countervote me for that deserved insult k thx)

Then I will spend all day tomorrow expressing how there is absolutely no way whatsoever that Mafiate and/or SK Snake would not have behaved in any way, shape or form like I'm behaving now.

In white text because I no longer give a shit about color, even! You've deprived me the enjoyment of Pinkie text!

[Geminex]

Karesh isn't just claiming bulletproof, though, I think. He's claiming immunity to night actions.

Karesh, that's right, isn't it?

Edit:

Waaaaaait a minute:

You may not copy/paste or otherwise post the entirety of your role PM.

So basically yes, but what Karesh did earlier is okay by me.

Not trying to metagame here, but doesn't this imply that Karesh's roleclaim is genuine?

[Sifright]

The only thing he claimed to be was immune to cult actions and later on stated he did not want the town doctor proctecting him. I'm pretty sure he is immune to being killed/switched presumably not immune to other actions.

If your dead set on lynching me go ahead as i've stated already doing so kills a townie but does give the town a person they can work with and trust. I'm pretty certain fluttershy is town orientated although it's a little worrying that my pm didn't specify that only that I knew karesh was fluttershy.

If you go back and read my posts you will notice that I was reluctant to reveal what i knew. The only reason i was reluctant was because I knew the character was 'fluttershy'
which almost certainly had to be a power role given the flavour of the game and the only character I thought was likely to be the doctor was fluttershy, Obviously that assumption was wrong or Karesh wouldn't have been so willing to throw his role out there for me to confirm.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Might not be bulletproof either. Could just be the 'bomb', as in taking down an enemy with her. just my two cents.