My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[Oron]

Originally Posted by Revolving Ocelot

Hawk the Vig still killed someone, he just got killed afterwards.







Welp





I was doubting my data - I thought Godfathers turned up as Town on investigations, although you just came up as "Mafia Don" rather than Godfather. Since you haven't claimed you're a Miller though... time for a roleclaim since I was probably going to die tonight by random chance anyway.

I'm Twilight Sparkle, Element of Honesty.
I'm the cop.
3 nights, 3 investigations, none of this "derp derp night 0 passive investigation" rubbish that Nikose was spouting. At least he wasn't a Jester in the end.



Night 1: I investigated Sifright. He's Doctor Whooves, the Doctor, town-aligned. By extension that confirms Karesh is Town, too.

Night 2: I investigated greed. He's Scum. More specifically, he's called Daisy and is currently being possessed by a star, in allegiance with Nightmare Moon, as Nikose was.

Night 3: I investigated Oron. I didn't get his name in the message (literally just "flavor text flavor text flavor text"), but he turned up as Nightmare Moon, Mafia Don.
You could have said you were Miller, bro. But you didn't.


So, while the votetrain on greed is well and good, would taking the Don out provide an additional benefit?

Can't say I believe you. I only said I was Town, not that I was Vanilla (Townie means Town to me, so I say one or the other to mean Town-aligned).

My role is actually the Watcher. Fenris' flavor text indicated that I am the teacher who mentors and watches over her students, such as the Cutie Mark Crusaders. Since the incidents began to occur a few days ago, my concern for the other members of town grew and I would watch out at Night in case anything happened. I can target one player at night to see whoever else targets them.

Night 1 - Nikose - Nobody targeted him that night.

Didn't know who to scan so early, so I went for a random target. Nothing happened that night.

Night 2 - Fawfulcopter - Hawk targeted him.

People were starting to consider targeting inactives. I chose between Fawful and Julford, going with Fawful, and I saw Hawk, Rainbow Dash, remove him from the game. Obviously, I wasn't going to post, "Hey, guys! Hawk's the Vig!" without any heavy suspicion placed on him. Then the mafia/SK removed him before he ever needed to roleclaim.

Night 3 - Gregness

I figured Greg wasn't going to make it through the night with his roleclaim, so I targeted him in hopes of finding scum. I guessed wrong, though, and instead Hawk, Bard, and Ryanderman were targeted.

I've been inactive lately because I had exams literally every week and piles of homework on top of that. I checked in every couple of days to read up a bit on what's been going on and whether it was Day or Night for me to submit my role. Aside from that, I've been out.

So, I don't know how you figure I'm Nightmare Moon, RO. You could be making that up to get someone you figured to be Town out of the game to help level the balance between Townies and Scum.

[Aldurin]

I don't like your claim Oron, since most of that stuff can be made without a third party supporting or rejecting that claim.

The night actions I feel are very iffy since he could have easily just put two non-targeted members up for listing and then look back at the kill chart and use it to make a night action that returned information.

Saying that, I will hold both you and Revolving Ocelot with equal suspicion, since your claim looks weak but then RO's claim is still iffy, even with Sifright's backing.

[Oron]

Well, obviously there isn't much to support me with. My support died when Hawk went out overnight, because I was going to add to his claim as Vig if anybody ever voted for him and he had to defend himself.

However, now that I look at it, RO's basically pulled the vote off of greed. It seemed odd to me that he said "You could have said you were Miller," since I don't recall Millers showing up as a Mafia Don. That's pretty high profile. I'm used to them just showing up as Mafiate. But now I think he's just calling me out with that crazy claim to distract everybody else from the bandwagon that was forming, so I really question his alignment.

[Revising Ocelot]

A roleclaim is exactly that - what role you are. So you've just pulled all this out of thin air when you should have said all of this in your first post as part of your actual roleclaim. Just saying "I'm town, hurrrr" is not a roleclaim as that's the default persona anyone posts with.
And you're saying I'm "pulling the vote of Greed" when I SHOWED him to be Mafia as well. No, just no. OTHERWISE I'D HAVE SAID HE WAS TOWN. Hell, I was the person who first started trying to get a vote on him, before and after my Night 2 investigation. He still should be lynched, but I'm thinking going after you first would be a better idea.

And don't Millers display as incriminating a status as possible? Displaying as the leader or SK shouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

[Revising Ocelot]

Further explanation: I was swapped in on Night 1, so I couldn't really comment on Day 1 actions and such. Sifright was suspicious as hell and had called to be investigated, with the weird assumption that the Cop would immediately out himself to reveal his guilt/innocence. So I took the bait, but didn't act on it. I did defend Sif for every strange moment he had, especially his weird suicide phase. I'd have supported his suicide otherwise.

I decided to do a bit of research on what to do as Cop during Day 2, since I've only played 1/3rd of a Mafia game before. And oh hey, lookie what the Wiki says:

Miller - A Town role that investigates as Guilty (or whatever would be most incriminating).

That's why seeing "Mafia Don" made me think of that. But your generic claim put rest to that, so I outed myself.

Wiki also says:

It is generally best to investigate players you have null reads on, and let the Day game sort out the others.

So I have a look, and who's actually popping on the forums most but posting the least? greed. I call this out, then do an investigation over Night 2 as I was mostly ignored. Hey look, mafia! I start pressing harder for a greed lynch on Day 3. It's picked up by some people but Nikose starts seriously derping out. I had decided not to investigate Nikose as his was displaying his abnormality far too obviously. So I go to what I have null leads on - RPG and Ryander had posted fairly frequently on Day 3, so I didn't choose them. Fawful was a red flag, but then again his only ever post on the forums was his signup post for this game, and he was killed anyway. Julford hadn't been on since August so revealing his role wouldn't achieve anything as he wasn't doing anything. So that left Oron for my Night 3 investigation.

I figure getting rid of 2 Mafia for 1 Town is a decent compromise. You treat a Cop roleclaim by killing one of his targets, and that'll prove he's right if they turn up guilty. As would being killed by a Night action. If he's not killed, that'll be Mafia trying to pass him off as a fake - which is really not an option now for Mafia, is it? A Cop surviving into endgame is not a risk you can afford.

In summary, Oron's been outed as a special role. He turns up Guilty with a lynch, all's good. If he turns up Innocent, you've exposed a Mafiate member posing a Cop.

[Revising Ocelot]

*As would the Cop being killed by a Night action

[Gregness]

Well, looks like someone else decided to shake things up since I did it yesterday.

I'll take some time tomorrow to put up a more detailed analysis.

For now, I'd like to put forward a third option. Since IHMN, Oron, and RO all implicate greed it might be wiser to take the easy shot at Greed which would give us time to sort out the roleclaim issue between Oron and RO.

Of course, that's the safer route I think. There is something to be said for lynching Oron now since for better or worse we'd end up with more information.

Something to stew on tonight.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I still have full confidence in RO and yes, I must agree that a Don is normally the greater threat, sooo

Unvote: Greed

Vote: Oron

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

I don't like your claim Oron, since most of that stuff can be made without a third party supporting or rejecting that claim.

The night actions I feel are very iffy since he could have easily just put two non-targeted members up for listing and then look back at the kill chart and use it to make a night action that returned information.

Saying that, I will hold both you and Revolving Ocelot with equal suspicion, since your claim looks weak but then RO's claim is still iffy, even with Sifright's backing.

My backing up of Revolving Ocelot technically doesn't mean anything. At least with me he hasn't put anything on to the board that I haven't already said. That said no one is counter claiming as PO and the way to test a PO is to kill one of the targets he lists if we don't have a counter claim. If he is shown to be lying we remove him from the game the next day cycle.

[Ravashak]

So, I've read up on the events so far. I'd prefer to lynch Oron tonight, in order to check RO's reliability. This way, if Oron turns out scum, it's good and we can use RO as a trusted source (for as long as he survives xP). If he turns out to be a Miller or plain townie, we can set sights on RO afterwards (though we should first take greed then to clean up loose ends, imo).