There and Back Again: A Hobbit's Thread

[Geminex]

Pfft.
Mind you, the guy underneath is almost as good. 309 views, 9846 likes, clearly this means that people are just mindless sheeple, rather than implying that the view counter is broken.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Part of me (the part that desperately tries to reason that the world isn't full of complete morons) really hopes that person is trolling.

Man, I don't see why anyone ever bothers caring if the person's trolling or not when the things they're saying are just plain dumb. Either way you just gotta laugh at 'em. If they aren't a troll, you get to laugh at a dummy for being a dummy. If they are a troll, everyone having a good laugh at their expense and mocking them was probably not what they were hoping for. Win-Win situation.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Unfortunately he's not a troll, just a completely ignorant fool. There's a few more comments on that video by him. All of them make me want to slam my head into unconsciousness.

EDIT; There again, it's no worse than the rest of the comments on that video. I really should know better than to read youtube commenters, it's just fucking depressing.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by Hawk

Unfortunately he's not a troll, just a completely ignorant fool. There's a few more comments on that video by him. All of them make me want to slam my head into unconsciousness.

EDIT; There again, it's no worse than the rest of the comments on that video. I really should know better than to read youtube commenters, it's just fucking depressing.

Any of the comments regarding the new Batman movie have been causing the same reaction in me over the past 9 months, since pretty much all of the people who bother to state their opinions on the internet unequivocally hate everything.

[RickZarber]

Originally Posted by Magus

Apparently to make it into two movies they're adding in things like Gandalf scouring Dol Guldur with Aragorn and Radagast (I think Radagast was in on that shenanigans, wasn't he?). Not surprised they'd stick some stuff with Galadriel into it. Apparently she's visiting Elrond for whatever holiday elves celebrate (Elfmas?)

Aragorn was 10 years old during the events of The Hobbit, so I don't think we'll see him doing much of anything in these movies, if he even shows up at all; who knows, maybe we'll see him as young Estel with his mother in Rivendell.

The scenes of Gandalf stalking about we see in the trailer are, in my best guess, flashback scenes of Gandalf scouting Dol Guldur 91 years ago and coming across Thráin (whom I believe is the person that Gandalf is fighting near the end of the trailer--if you pause you can see Dwarvish clothing and prosthetics/hair).

Radagast isn't likely to show up until the Council scenes with Saruman. And I assume Galadriel is in Rivendell in the first movie to first bring up the idea of the White Council. Perhaps that tender scene they appear to share could even be when she asks Gandalf to head the council (I don't believe it to be a romantic scene as some have speculated; likely she is just expressing concern over the weight of responsibility he is bearing). But yes, in the second movie, we will totally get to see the White Council convene and then go kick Sauron out of Mirkwood.

Originally Posted by Hawk

No Smaug though yet. I want to see Smaug.

I seriously doubt we'll see Smaug at all until the second movie actually comes out. Like what they did with Gollum in LOTR; we heard his voice in the first trailer, saw his silhouette and a close up of his eyes in the first movie, and got a quick glimpse of his back in the teaser to the second movie, but that was it--they never showed all of him in any promotional material until after Two Towers had been released. It stands to reason that they'll treat Smaug the same way.

Anyway I was surprised we didn't see a single goblin! One quick shot of what could possibly be Goblintown (during the close-up on Dwalin), but that's it! Also, I noticed two Mirkwood shots (Gloín's CU, and that shot of the Ring at the very end), so I wonder if that means the first movie will go as far as the Spiders, or if it's the sole second movie stuff that ended up in this trailer....

[MFD]

I figure "Riddles in the Dark" is the breaking point for the movie.

EDIT: He has to be a troll. The trailer does everything in its power to link The Hobbit with Lord of the Rings. You have the frame of Bilbo telling the story to Frodo at the beginning, and then IN CASE YOU FORGOT there's the FUCKING RING at the fucking end with GOLLUM

I'VE GONE CROSSEYED.

Also! Singing! Talking! Walking! Best trailer ever!

[RickZarber]

So if the trailer wasn't enough, Peter Jackson has given us 12 minutes of Behind the Scenes for Christmas!

Production Video 5

HOBBITON!

[Magus]

Originally Posted by RickZarber

Aragorn was 10 years old during the events of The Hobbit, so I don't think we'll see him doing much of anything in these movies, if he even shows up at all; who knows, maybe we'll see him as young Estel with his mother in Rivendell.

The scenes of Gandalf stalking about we see in the trailer are, in my best guess, flashback scenes of Gandalf scouting Dol Guldur 91 years ago and coming across Thráin (whom I believe is the person that Gandalf is fighting near the end of the trailer--if you pause you can see Dwarvish clothing and prosthetics/hair).

Radagast isn't likely to show up until the Council scenes with Saruman. And I assume Galadriel is in Rivendell in the first movie to first bring up the idea of the White Council. Perhaps that tender scene they appear to share could even be when she asks Gandalf to head the council (I don't believe it to be a romantic scene as some have speculated; likely she is just expressing concern over the weight of responsibility he is bearing). But yes, in the second movie, we will totally get to see the White Council convene and then go kick Sauron out of Mirkwood.

I seriously doubt we'll see Smaug at all until the second movie actually comes out. Like what they did with Gollum in LOTR; we heard his voice in the first trailer, saw his silhouette and a close up of his eyes in the first movie, and got a quick glimpse of his back in the teaser to the second movie, but that was it--they never showed all of him in any promotional material until after Two Towers had been released. It stands to reason that they'll treat Smaug the same way.

Anyway I was surprised we didn't see a single goblin! One quick shot of what could possibly be Goblintown (during the close-up on Dwalin), but that's it! Also, I noticed two Mirkwood shots (Gloín's CU, and that shot of the Ring at the very end), so I wonder if that means the first movie will go as far as the Spiders, or if it's the sole second movie stuff that ended up in this trailer....

I've heard someone involved (Jackson, maybe) say that when they were trying to figure out how to split the plot in half they said they would end the first movie with an event "that changes Bilbo's relationship with the dwarves". This is of course super-vague and could apply to multiple spots in the plot. Initially I thought it was when he steals the super-gem from the gold pile after they kill Smaug even though it was basically half the reason Thorin went on the whole damn quest, but it seems like the part where he saves them from the Elves would be fitting, since up 'til then they had been mostly saving him. Plus if the super gem part were the ending it wouldn't leave much for the second movie, though I guess if they did it similar to Helm's Deep the Battle of the Five Armies could fill in a whole hour of the plot.

Also, yeah, Aragorn would be 10 years old and I was thinking about that. I think I was considering the plot from back when they were going to make the entire first movie based on The Hobbit and then connect it to the trilogy with the second movie's events. But they've since then abandoned that tack and are creating two movies based on The Hobbit's events so I'm not sure if they're still going to try and fill in events between the end of the Hobbit and the original trilogy or not. I'd assume not, so we can probably just forget about Aragorn being in this entirely. He certainly wouldn't be played by Viggo Mortenson if they had him in it, as even if they compressed time a bit and made him like, 16 or something he'd still have to be played by a much younger actor.

I think that part with Galadriel isn't so much affection (or if affection it's fairly platonic), but probably her commenting on the fact that he looks much older than the last time they met, or maybe the first time they met (since Gandalf does slowly, very slowly, age, he was probably much younger looking, probably middle-aged, when he first came to Middle Earth, whereas the Elves are pretty ageless seeming in comparison).

[Locke cole]

It's probably going to be the Elf rescue thing, yeah. By the way, super-gem? I thought that what he grabbed was the shirt of Mythril.

[Magus]

Nah, that's way at the beginning, in the troll cave. The super-gem is actually like a giant orb or something, or a giant diamond, I forget exactly, but basically it was the greatest treasure of the Lonely Mountain dwarves and Thorin specifically said when they went into the cave that they could each have whatever they wanted of the horde BUT it. Unfortunately, Bilbo couldn't help himself. He later uses it to force Thorin to make peace with the humans, because he gives it to Bard and Bard uses it as a bargaining chip to allow him and the elves into the cave to take their share of the treasure. Which was kind of a dick move but Bilbo didn't want them fighting each other. Never did figure why the elf king thought he should get part of the treasure, at least Bard shot the dragon...elves are always doing dickish things though so no surprise.