[DISCUSS] Gaston is better than the Beast

[Amake]

Man does anyone think Lucas spent even one second considering the public image the Rebels or the Empire projects to the citizens, or even that the citizens in that scenario could have an opinion about the political system of their galaxy. The Rebels are terrorists the same way the pirates in Pirates of the Caribbean are terrorists. And I'm referring to the amusement park ride.

[Locke cole]

I've been on both versions of that ride.

Boy, their animatronic Jack Sparrow looks jarring next to the older animatronic pirates. He looks too much like an actual person. Just doesn't fit.

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Liz

Star Wars is duuuuuuuumb.

What if Gaston were a Sith?

[Aldurin]

Gaston would be Han Solo.

[Vauron]

Originally Posted by Hawk

This came up in the EU Thrawn Trilogy once as well, and was apparantly why the Empire lost the battle of Endor after the Emperor died, because he was actually controlling and directing much of the battle. Not sure how accurate that is though, been a while since I've seen the film and I can't recall if the turning point came before or after his death.

That and the EU stuff is canonically debatable anyway.

My understanding is that, while Palpatine was issuing orders like 'kill the weak crap first' during the battle at Endor, most of the actual directing of military assets was done by a Grand Admiral who was on the Death Star. What really brought low the Empire was that Palpatine did not set it up in such a way that it could survive past him. Among other issues, the line of succession essentially ran as Palpatine-> I R IMMORTAL. As such, the way that new supreme leadership was decided afterwards was essentially decided by military force, with most imperial assets destroyed in blue-on-blue fights.

[Aldurin]

And the Beast would be Chewbacca for ironic purposes.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by Liz

That wouldn't change its horrifying moral lesson being that if you love your abusive boyfriend enough he will stop being an abusive monster.

but that IS the moral of the story. Beauty and the Beast is a fairy tale from before the creation of divorce when a woman really was stuck with a guy and "stick it out and it might get better" really was the most they could hope for

[CABAL49]

I think it is worth mentioning that in the old timey version of Beauty and the Beast, Gaston never existed and it was a bit less Stockholm syndromey.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Hawk

That and the EU stuff is canonically debatable anyway.

Eh, not really. Rule is Movies are Primary Canon, TV series (other than the christmas special), video games, and other media of that sort are secondary, and then books and comics are tertiary. If anything in a book does not DIRECTLY conflict with primary or secondary canon then it's canon. If it does, then it's not.

Originally Posted by Locke cole

Doesn't Lucas go over the EU books with a fine-toothed iron fist?

Nope, he just has the above blanket ruling. That way he doesn't need to go over them, or worry about contradicting them when he puts out a new, well, anything. It just makes some books non-canon if they conflict.

Originally Posted by Hawk

This came up in the EU Thrawn Trilogy once as well, and was apparantly why the Empire lost the battle of Endor after the Emperor died, because he was actually controlling and directing much of the battle. Not sure how accurate that is though, been a while since I've seen the film and I can't recall if the turning point came before or after his death.

Originally Posted by Vauron

My understanding is that, while Palpatine was issuing orders like 'kill the weak crap first' during the battle at Endor, most of the actual directing of military assets was done by a Grand Admiral who was on the Death Star. What really brought low the Empire was that Palpatine did not set it up in such a way that it could survive past him. Among other issues, the line of succession essentially ran as Palpatine-> I R IMMORTAL. As such, the way that new supreme leadership was decided afterwards was essentially decided by military force, with most imperial assets destroyed in blue-on-blue fights.

It's probably a combination of what Vauron said here, and Battle Meditation.

[Amake]

It's also worth mentioning many of the old fables weren't built around "morals" so much as "let's scare the crap out of our children, ohoho". Not that I mind such classics as "Don't be kidnapped by a monster, even if it is an enchanted prince", "Don't throw out your magic beans and then climb on the giant beanstalks to the clouds and screw with the giants who live there", "Don't have a baby-eatingly evil stepmother", "Don't follow the enchanting naked violin player into the river" and of course the ever-popular "Don't be an orphan".