Nikola Tesla, a true story

[Ryong]

Tesla did a lot of improvements on a lot of things and invented some sweet things, that's all that matters.

Originally Posted by MuMu

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Seconded.

[BitVyper]

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Also Edison was absolutely the devil.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

Look, Theoatmeal isn't an educational site, so its rather obvious that the link is jazzed up. However there is more truth to it than that. First thing though is arguments that Jefferson is the greatest geek. That is rather debatable. The main two things we can contribute to Edison is the phonograph and the first industrial research laboratory. Everything else that has a patent with Edison's name on it was done under a team of researchers, and while it was his direction that created the projects, it was his team that did the groundwork.

I like Jefferson because he was able to create his own book as well as understand copyright monopolies to the point that he was skeptical about the copyright clause being put into the Constitution. Say what you will, but for the time, he was the ultimate liberal that thought the Constitution should be read progressively rather than the Originalist claims we get from Scalia or Roberts nowadays.

But yes, I agree that Edison was the first Cave Johnson.

Edison fits the bill for a businessman much better than he does an inventor. To be fair, he was a tinkerer, and he had a great vision, however could he have achieved this on his own with his team? Doubtful, his engineers brought a lot to the table. In truth, the reason they are arguing for Tesla is that indeed a lot of his free time went into tinkering, anything that caught his interest he played and messed with, and learned a lot about.

Yes, Tesla was the true engineer. In no way am I defending Edison (given how I feel on his creation of patents to extort artists in his day), I merely say that Tesla is more CN while Edision is LE. I just don't think that either person could achieve all of their accomoplishments were it not for others working in the fields at the same time.

Firstly, the war of the currents was about getting power to homes. Edison was pushing for a DC power transmission system with needed a jump every block. The AC system was based off of Tesla's Polyphase system that Westinghouse was pushing for. Thanks to his ideas, Westinghouse was able to figure out that he needed transformers to enlarge and shrink the current, and actually looked and found for them. (I believe it was the Gaulard-Gibbs that was the transformer that gave this).

Let's not forget that Edison's way to fight the idea of using AC to transmit was to attempt to have legislation pass to not allow current more that 800 volts, pay people to electrocute animals, and thanks to his push, was then used to execute criminals.

As well as his famous waterfall experiment. But yeah, Edison with the electric chair...

Of course, Edison was a business man. His were ideas of taking awesome things and thinking "How can we make money off this". The man used science as a get rich quick scheme. Edison was of a business mind. Its why he hired a lot of engineers and brought minds together, its why he had tons of patents from that lab, so that they could make money. The man pushed science forward, yes, but he didn't do the grunt work, he ran the business that did it.

Amen.

Second, Tesla's falling out was due to Edison promising him a large sum of money to fix his DC current engines, and when Tesla did it, Edison laughed and said it was a joke. Edison tried to make it up to him by offering a raise, that point should be made, but I can very well see Tesla falling out with Edison after that.

No question. It's a similar topic to RCA and the AM/FM battles. Indie engies usually get screwed.

Ah, but Tesla held the patents and showed the basic design and principal of radio transmissions in 1891, the very same elements used in about every radio system before vacuum tubes came along. Other transmitters came along, improving on Tesla's design for commercial sale, but it was Tesla's design that made radio.

But I was talking about radar and that's a fail on my part...

Whats funny about this is that Pulyui had no idea what he was dealing with when he was messing with cathode rays. Roentgen was the major creditor as he was the first person to send out to newspapers the picture his wife's hand via X-Ray in 1895. Tesla's experiments with X-Rays were started in 1887, and he had sent Roentgen pictures of his own hand through X-Rays, but unlike Roentgen, never published a thing.

Looks like there needed to be an independent engineering league to stave off Edison in most areas. It seems to be more or less his way or the highway.

Of course they would leave that part out. This is a dramatization of Tesla version Edison. Yes, Edison kept paying Dally, which was rather considerate of the time. Its sad to hear that this could have been prevented from heeding Tesla's warnings and someone died from Edison not paying him any attention due to their earlier feud, but I will give you that Edison manned up and took care of Dally on that one.

Yeah, he's not all bad. I still don't like Edison as much as I do knowing his background, but it is what it is. Maybe Dally was a forlorn lover or something but still. That was a hard lesson to learn from messing with X-rays...

Edison's legacy feels like he ran a great business in getting science to sell. Tesla's legacy was that of making and creating inventions. Edison was great for science as he brought business to it, but Tesla is the namesake of geekiness. He hid, he invented, he toyed, he made things that were cool, he invisioned ideas that were profound and amazing. Edison did too, but Edison was one for today, for selling, for getting it to work cheaply and into homes. Thats business, not geekiness.

I don't think I'm advocating that Edison is necessarily a geek. What I'm against is Tesla being a god in engineering as he's being portrayed. Sure, he's a good guy and did a lot of decent advances. But he had a lot of help with others who advanced the field. Now did he help the Electronic Age? Absolutely. But greatest geek? Dunno when you compare him to William Bull, Richard Trevithick, and Arthur Woolf or the creators of the internet. So he has his place in history. Let's just keep it in perspective.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Jagos

But yes, I agree that Edison was the first Cave Johnson.

How bout not that.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by K-Resh

How bout not that.

In regards to getting the engineers together to build projects and giving people the context that he's an extremely savvy businessman instead of an engineer and making him relevant to anyone reading? Yes.

In regards to being a bumbling idiot that has a vast empire while creating dangerous products? No.

Still, he is very heavily a player at the top of his game and I don't want to convey that he's in any way a CJ other than I just dislike him that much to make the comparison.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Cave was a ridiculously enthusiastic madman with a large budget that pursued projects with such enthusiasm it eventually brought about his downfall. Profit didn't matter, safety didn't matter. Only the limits of whatever the hell he thought up mattered.
Edison was profit profit profit. Nothing more nothing less.

There's parallels but not as many as there are opposites.

[Magus]

All I know is Forbes inadvertently made this webcomic incredibly famous by posting a rebuttal to it.

I for one want to hear more about Tesla's erotic furry adventures with that laser pigeon.

[Sifright]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iAUw...ailpage#t=259s
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