Boycott Atlus

[Bells]

Liz, stick with focus on your original agenda... THERE you could've make a point for yourself. With this, it's just over analyzing that looks silly and out of place...

In Japanese animation and art the eyes are the focus of all expression and ranges of emotion. Occluding the eyes serves to make a point that the character has a hidden agenda or ulterior motives or maybe a deeper layer of personality. It's the same with the "shadows that cover the eyes" thing they do.

Exposing partially the breasts of a female, SPECIALLY in a V cut style is also an stylistic choice as it's usually used (or tried to be used) as a manner to display the overpowering of a female character over others... usually with ill intent, trying to display that a woman's raw power can be displayed through her sexuality as much like a man's power would be displayed by his brutality... a good example of this for those who watch anime is Katejina from Gundam V... this usually follows the "Short Hair turned Long" deal, as it shows a Woman repressed and contained, unrestrained herself for better or worst (that's when the long hair shows up), it's a combination of the Dark Side in woman form with the Vulnerable side in woman form...




It's waaaaaaaaaaaay more common than you seem to think, and YES it can be used with Tittilation for advertising (i think i don't need to post the Soul Calibur poster here...) but it's not Objectifying in the same way you wanna use it. It's an artistic choice that tries to make a statement about the character in the game...

But how can i know that for a game that isn't out yet? Well, it's just my own knowledge of anime tropes (which i don't claim to be absolute... mind you) and then i jump over to Wikipedia and here is what we see...

Nemissa (?????)

A female devil that suffers from amnesia. She is characterised by her flashy silver hair, and is the protagonist's partner, key to the work the group is doing. Because she has no physical body herself, she inhabits Hitomi's body. The instant Nemissa's soul takes control Hitomi's hair turns silver, and returns to its natural black once Hitomi is back in control. Nemissa is selfish at first, but through getting to know others she begins to care for other people, and eventually learns to know pain and emotions.

Nemissa's attributes are decided by how the player answers Hitomi's questions at the beginning of the game.

Well fuck my balls isn't that just on par with what i just described... Nemissa is the character in the cover BTW...

With that said... I'm off to cookies and coffee... AWAY!

[Marc v4.0]

I thought you said you had better things to do then hang out and argue with us plebs?

That quote has so little to do with obscured eyes and open shirts that I can't even make up a valid reasoning that you would have linked them together like that.

[Kim]

it's just over analyzing

Several paragraphs of analytically bullshit trying to excuse the fact that the cover goes out of the way to dehumanize the female character on the cover and focus on her exposed chest.

...riiiiiiiight...

[Kim]

Exposing partially the breasts of a female, SPECIALLY in a V cut style is also an stylistic choice as it's usually used (or tried to be used) as a manner to display the overpowering of a female character over others...

Also, this is the Strong Female Characters-ist bullshit I've read in a while.

[Marc v4.0]

I honestly can't muster up enough fucks to give when he takes the time to end it with a "WELL I'M LEAVING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE SO HAVE FUN TALKING TO A WALL!"

[Bells]

i choose to step away because you guys can't see to grasp a simple concept of "argue the point, not the person" and instead dismiss everything that contradicts your views with snarky sarcasm and shin kicking instead of actually opening up a conversation of the points being made...

so, compared to THAT... yeah, i sure as hell have better things to do... which doesn't mean i can't state my viewpoint, after all... public thread in public forum... but i have no obligations to stand by ready to debate "thunderdome style"... and the point i made stands on it's own even if i'm not present... partially because you use me as an excuse not to argue it.

So, yeah... what i said pretty much stands on it's own. Unless you have some sort of counter argument that could show a new light on the subject with a different perspective and insight... that would be Ok, maybe even interesting to read.... or you can just keep the snarky sacarsm, that's ok too... as i stated before, Cookies and Coffee and such et cetera...

[Marc v4.0]

I'm still waiting to really hear how that quote had anything to do with covered eyes and exposed chest, since it just absolutly didn't at all and wasn't 'on par' with the extremely Strong Female Characters point you started out with.

edit: Maybe it's just me, but after 34 pages of everyone repeating themselves on the issue to either get completely ignored or outright trolled, you're going to have to do a lot better than just dropping a bad argument (for the 4th time now, actually) and then being "Well, I would bother to not give a shit argument if you guys treated my shit arguments with the respect that I've denied all the work you've put into this entire thread"

Yeah, gotta be just me.

[Kim]

There's nothing to debate. Your point is shitty, changes nothing about the nature of female objectification in media, accuses me of doing something I 1. Didn't do 2. You did much more than I, and lastly is just fucking dumb. You hide behind the same shitty "Strong Female Characters" logic that all sorts of shitty comics writers do, and no matter who says it it is always shitty.

Here, Bells, let me help you.

You've contributed nothing of merit to this thread at any point, have actively sought to derail the conversation, ignore the points being made, and run and hide whenever anybody calls you out on your bullshit. You never fucking took my side seriously, so why the fuck should I listen to your points about "You shouldn't say this thing I, who have disagreed with you every step of the way, disagree with. It'll make people take you less seriously."

You drop in to make shitty points, run off when people treat them like the shitty points they are, and then drop in once again to make even more shitty points.

You're being willfully dense. We tried to explain this shit to you before. You refused to listen. Don't fucking whine at us for not taking you seriously now.

[pochercoaster]

Deconstruction of strong female characters, and why they're pretty much just as sexist as every other female trope out there.

You know, women being shown in revealing outfits wouldn't so bad if that wasn't what 99% of female video game characters wear. And don't give me anecdotes; for every properly dressed female character there are dozens in armour bikinis. Justifying it by saying they're strong female characters is a ridiculous, lame argument that someone came up with to excuse the sexualization and objectification of women so they could feel comfortable ogling them. It's a really shitty excuse.

There is also a difference between objectification and sexualization although they are often seen together. Objectification is literally dehumanizing someone and presenting them like an object. This is quite frequently done in advertising, by morphing a woman's body with inanimate objects or leaving out parts of her body. Obscuring the face such as in that box cover art IS objectifying because by hiding the face you hide part of her humanity. There is literally no good reason for them to have left out her face on the box art other than to present her as a sexual object to be used.

[Bells]

"your side" i have no problem with. But the way you go about making your case, presenting evidence, claiming shit... that's all pretty silly, child like even. Over analyzing galore that hurts your point much more than it makes it...

Wanna bang your feet to the ground and yell "Tone Argument!" at me? Fine, go right ahead... a cop out is a cop out regardless. If you didn't make your own points so poorly it wouldn't be a problem to support them, but you just do. You have a case, you just seem to not have the first clue on how to go about it.

Have you seen the trailer for the game? It doesn't play to your arguments.

have you seen the scene in the game where the character changes into the clothes it shows on the box? It doesn't play to your arguments.

All you show is gross Superficial Overanalysis without any care for actual context, intent or meaning... you just want to pick a fight to make a point YOU want to make, regardless of it being real or not. You're trying to construct this "big bad monster" out of straws with no purpose or meaning, because your way of fighting is some sort of bullshit Boycott that will not cause a dent... where you could use the exact SAME cause (which HAS valid arguments) to promote a better understanding and awareness of the issues you feel strongly about.

This last issue you pointed out with Soul Hackers? It's Bullshit, absolutely bullshit... you don't have a point. Not on this. Just drop it! You're not gonna turn it into a point just because you keep yelling that people don't understand how you think... as if everybody else is "Obtuse" except you, that somehow is covered in a silver lining of deeper understanding of everything... There is objectification of women in media, it's real, it's bad... but this ain't it. Doesn't matter how "Peta" you wanna get about it.