Is Nickleback that bad? The nature of selling out

[Lumenskir]

You live in Florida. You cannot be one. Florida is not considered to be culturally part of the "South."

Hmm, what I'm reading here is that you've never been to the panhandle.

RE: Selling Out: The Black Eyed Peas.

Will.I.Am is like musical cancer. I remember reading a profile on him where he bragged about bringing spreadsheets and projections to meetings with the recording company to demonstrate how much they would sell. Fergy just seems like a tool to further that. I do feel bad for the Other One and the Other Other One.

[Bells]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

I don't want to hurt Bell's feelings by derailing the thread further.

How the hell did we wind up like this? Why weren´t we able To see the signs that we missed and tried to turn the tables?

I wish you´d unclench your fists and unpack your suitcase, Lately there´s been too much of this, but don´t think it´s too late. Nothin´s wrong just as long as you know that someday I will...

Someday, somehow I´m gonna make it alright, but not right now. I know you´re wondering when.

(You´re the only one who knows that)

[tacticslion]

Premmy: you're awesome. Well done doing everything I failed at briefly and succinctly.

Bells: Using Nickelback to respond to a Nickelback hater. Nice.

Originally Posted by Bells

So... every single rapper in the last 20 years is a sell out?

Also i don't see it as much as just focused on "for survival" cause quite frankly any band that gets a Motorola or Eletronic Arts deal is hardly starving. But, like in the Linkin Park thing... if the band actually likes that stuff, why not merge business and pleasure y'know?

While I admit I'm guilty of using the term "for survival", I did also mention,

Originally Posted by me, like, right up there

Food and shelter is a very necessary thing, after all, and there's nothing wrong with also desiring creature comforts (because, you know, such things are pleasant).

Mostly the "problem" with selling out is when someone tells you they feel/exist/represent/behave/believe/etc one way, and you empathize with that and enjoy based on that notion, but then they spin around and behave in a way that is contrary to the way they told you earlier. That causes a feeling of betrayal. Whether they owed you anything or not... well, that's... kind of iffy. You did pay them money, after all, to get what you wanted. I'd tend to say "no", as in, they don't owe you, in particular, but at the same time creating such a bond (willingly forking over cash actually creates a strange psychological emotional connection with the person or object for which you're forking over cash) and then severing it can still be understandably painful to those who've been severed and didn't get anything out of it.

Effectively (as money is presumtively representative of our time, work, and mental energy), you've worked hard in order to continue enjoying a particular artists work, but that avenue of escape, that bond that you forged over a shared passion, has now been severed, at least emotionally. Betrayal is a natural emotional response.

Again, this makes no judgement call about whether or not "Selling Out" is a bad thing. It does make justifiable emotional sense that someone would feel betrayed, however.

Also, I didn't mention anything involving whether or not someone could do something because they love a particular medium or idea. Really, there's nothing wrong with that at all. That still might cause dissonance when fans realize that the stars they've idolized (a problem on the part of fans) are actually people with desires and tastes that differ from their own. And it looks especially egregious if they do such a thing "for money". Still doesn't make it wrong, but it is where emotional turmoil semi-understandably comes from. Not necessarily correct, but understandable, at least.

[Flarecobra]

Originally Posted by CABAL49

You live in Florida. You cannot be one. Florida is not considered to be culturally part of the "South." Florida is culturally different from Virginia or Georgia. But there is a difference between being a Southerner and being a redneck. I am a Southerner. Reclaiming redneck is like reclaiming douchebag. But I was asked my impression of Nickleback and I gave it. I don't want to hurt Bell's feelings by derailing the thread further.

Three words: Swamp. Buggy. Races.

[Nique]

1) Nickelback is a if not the primary example of a band's succuess hinging on them leveraging the popularity of the grunge sound and there are a ton of post grunge bands and it is a terrible sound.


2) Flordia is totally the south.

[Magus]

People only comment on their badness because they are also perversely popular. It's like when people talk about how shitty Madonna or Cher is--sure there are numerous similar artists equally bad but why bother bringing THEM up?

They also go back and forth between saccharine love songs for the female audience and sexist diatribes for their male audience to ensure maximum market intrusion. You have the Lips of An Angel, and therefore You Would Look So Much Cuter With Something In Your Mouth, etc.

[PyrosNine]

I think Nickel Back gets over played, but I also thing everything gets over played and there should be more genuine rotations on radio stations.

As for why Nickelback's okay I guess, is that they're a band, an average okay band with a great singer, and their style of music is a weird mix of country and grunge, and that their cue of songs is the same as any other band ever that isn't trying to push an image but instead play music.

The reason why people hate NickelBack is that they see how much it's played, and how many people know, listen to it, and don't see the well, HyperRockFameExplosion of other bands that have just as much airplay, and think that Nickelback is an inherently inferior band that just gets as much airplay because of hax.

It's the kind of hype fad-ish meme whatever where something's hated not necessarily because it's bad, but because there's this vague consensus that it should be hated, and when a person is called out on their professed dislike, they have to spring up a small pet peeve to justify their binary decision making so as not to seem like someone who is merely jumping on a bandwagon.

Nickelback is just as good/offensive as anything else on the radio (except the gorillaz, they're awesome and yet intentionally sell outs) and it's just become a fad to vocally express a distaste for NickelBack with the intent to immediately establish one's internet personality as being "hip" and having "taste."

Cajun florida is Cajun South. Florida-Florida is actually some weird mix of California/Mexico/Tourism. And Cajun south is very different from South, too. Lazy stereotyping is lazy, done by lazy people who don't realize that North Carolinians think South Carolinians are hicks, and that Louisiana wonders what the hell is wrong with the states surrounding it.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by PyrosNine

As for why Nickelback's okay I guess, is that they're a band, an average okay band with a great singer, and their style of music is a weird mix of country and grunge, and that their cue of songs is the same as any other band ever that isn't trying to push an image but instead play music.

The reason why people hate NickelBack is that they see how much it's played, and how many people know, listen to it, and don't see the well, HyperRockFameExplosion of other bands that have just as much airplay, and think that Nickelback is an inherently inferior band that just gets as much airplay because of hax.

Well I also hate Godsmack but for the reason that I basically confuse them with Nickelback. They sound pretty similar. Is Godsmack as popular as Nickelback? I assume so...

Originally Posted by PyrosNine

Nickelback is just as good/offensive as anything else on the radio (except the gorillaz, they're awesome and yet intentionally sell outs) and it's just become a fad to vocally express a distaste for NickelBack with the intent to immediately establish one's internet personality as being "hip" and having "taste."

Again, why would people vocally express distaste for a shitty band no one's ever heard of? It's hardly an argument that people call them out because they are popular. That's the only reason they would bother.

If you want to establish yourself as having good taste in my book you have to listen to mostly '70s progressive rock unless you are a King Crimson or Porcupine Tree fan or something. It's not based on disliking Nickelback. Disliking Nickelback is simply a consequence of having any taste at all in anything.

Other factors of note in having good taste: Mello Yello is superior to Mountain Dew. BMWs are the best car in the world. Reebok or New Balance is perfectly acceptable; only flashy imbeciles buy Nikes.

[Hatake Kakashi]

Originally Posted by Bum Bill Bee

The Drumbeat carries on is the only Nickleback song I could stand to listen to more than once.

But Lips of an Angel and Rockstars were my absolute least favorite.

Maybe I listen to a song's message too much?

Not to derail the thread further, but wasn't "Lips of an Angel" performed by Hinder?

Carry on, carry on as if nothing really matters.

[Magus]

Yeah, is Hinder another one that has music that sounds almost the same? Doesn't rhyme properly with Nickelback and Godsmack, though.