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Unread 01-15-2013, 03:03 PM   #61
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Clocked my face hitting my palm at nearing 1200ft/second.

I need to lay down.
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Unread 01-15-2013, 03:06 PM   #62
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Oh. It's the whole "Is Mewtwo psychic?" thing again.

Midichlorians are just a conduit, anyway. They're a measurement of force-sensitivity.

After all, how does a purely biological process let you become a ghost after your precious midichlorian-rich body has been vaporized?

As to technology; one remembers Luke turning off his targeting computer, and using Force-enhanced perception to sink the shot that destroyed the Death Star.

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Given what an easy time autocracies have at redefining things, it wouldn't shock if me if the Emperor had utilized propaganda to fool the common folks into assuming at the 'Jedi Council' weren't really 'Jedis' at all.

Given how the prequels redefined Jedis and the use of lightsabers anyway, it's possible that the Emperor was just like, the Jedis were exceptionally talented swordsmen with glowing swords, but they had no connection to the Force because that was all made up religious bullocks to keep the masses in line.
...And, given how secretive the Jedi Council were about everything except their lightsaber dependency most would probably buy it.
Alright. I'll buy that.
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Unread 01-15-2013, 03:07 PM   #63
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It's pretty easy to define jedis as the sad devotees of ancient hoodoo because that's what they were. Congratulations, by concentrating for 10 minutes (after months of training) you can lift this rock a few feet. I'll be over here with my tractor beam.

E: To Locke: the force is controlled by cells in your bloodstream- how is that not purely physical. Why do you need a bunch of metaphysical bullshit to control it? Surely you can control them better without the religious stuff surrounding them. This is like how we can describe say the motion of the planets better now that we have got rid of the idea that god would make everything go in circles.
As for luke turning off his targeting computer- that's not really evidence of anything. Just that the computers in the star wars universe are poorer shots than people.

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Unread 01-15-2013, 03:11 PM   #64
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However, tractor beams are mostly usable on a scale that's really only feasibly used in space.

A squad of trained force users could make for very efficient construction workers on-planet, without the need for heavy machinery.

edit: Midichlorinas are apparently part of the religion, though, so I'm honestly wondering if the expanded universe novels go into more clarity as to what they actually do. Qui-Gon says they speak to the Force, which just gets back to the question of what the Force is and if one needs to act in a certain way to get the midichlorians in you to do what you want.
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Unread 01-15-2013, 03:16 PM   #65
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Smarty sounds like the one and only person who was remotely satisfied with the midichlorians twist from Episode 1
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Unread 01-15-2013, 03:24 PM   #66
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Honestly, though, do midichlorians really change anything other than adding a metric to measure Force potential? I mean, apparently they "speak to the force", so the Force is still a thing...

Seems it was just a plot-point to give them a reason to bring Anakin along.
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Honestly, though, do midichlorians really change anything other than adding a metric to measure Force potential? I mean, apparently they "speak to the force", so the Force is still a thing...

Seems it was just a plot-point to give them a reason to bring Anakin along.
Lucas wanted to make it more sci-fi and less spiritual because he's a terrible writer.
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Unread 01-15-2013, 03:39 PM   #68
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Seems it was just a plot-point to give them a reason to bring Anakin along.
Seems kind of silly to need any reason other than "Force says so."
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Well, it basically is "this machine says the Force says so"
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